Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Communalism


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. In the sense of "not delete". There is consensus that the articles Communalism (Political Philosophy), Communalism and Communalism (South Asia) need to be sorted out, but that can be done editorially via mergers.  Sandstein  11:25, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Communalism

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There is very little to this article Communalism which is not simply a restatement of material at a different page Communalism (Political Philosophy). It may also be muddled with regard to its distinction from Communitarianism, if any.

There is a section based upon a one sentence, unsourced statement on communalism of another definition. The latter is communalism defined as extreme ethnic loyalty of the sort newspapers often report with regard to Muslim-Hindu conflict. This can be abbreviated as 2:EE.
 * The exception: secondary definition of ethnic extremism

There is not enough content to determine whether or not 2:EE is Original Research, or if there is a body of writing on that topic sufficient to form the basis for an article.
 * OR?

There is also, in the "lede" or lead paragraph, an unsourced reference to the term apparently used as a synonym for utopian socialism. But that page already exists and this article Communalism does not even acknowledge that fact or link.
 * Third definition vaguely alluded to

Please do not jump to any conclusions because I, the nominator a member of the Conservatism project. I was also on Liberalism, but did not like its userbox. I am strictly NPOV.
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The above information does not necessarily prejudice this discussion, but it probably is pertinent to suggest possible POV issues.
 * No prejudice

It seems that this page is an awkward substitute for what should be a disambiguation page, unless there is substance sufficient to establish an article on the ethnic loyalty meaning. If so, I would suggest weincubate that article.
 * Should "Communalism" be converted to a disambiguation page?

If these other definitions seem of interest please let's move on and do the work but as it stands this page is duplicative and confusing. Bard गीता (talk • contribs) 03:48, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Incubation would be acceptable
 * End of Nomination


 * Keep - Clearly notable encyclopedic concept, that's the main thing. The article isn't the best, but it sort of steers things generally in the direction they need to be going. Carrite (talk) 05:13, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 17:14, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Social science-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 17:14, 30 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Merge any unique content to Communalism (Political Philosophy), then Delete. Jonathanwallace (talk) 17:48, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Maybe what is most appropriate would be to merge Communalism (Political Philosophy) into Communalism and then delete the former. It seems to me that the other option would be to create a disambiguation page and then bring Communalism into shape. That would IMO involve removing much of its content which is really just another version of Communalism (Political Philosophy). One of the concerns I wish to bring forth is whether multiple entries on a single topic tend to act as a sort of, dare I say it, a form a quasi-spamming. It inflates a topic beyond the level of legitimacy it has obtained in the world of scholarship. Which brings me to the third concern, which is that the primary distinct topic of Communalism is this sense which I have heard used to regard the regrettable "communal riots" of the Indian subcontinent. But if there is no systematic theoretical, journalistic or other exposition of that term, "communalism", then the article is really just Original Research. In which case, those so interested should publish, by all means, but not on wikipedia. They could create a wiki book on the topic, or they could even create a novel course such as "Sociology and History of Communalism". As much could be said for the secondary distinct topic of Communalism, which is basically synonymous with utopian socialism and should be handled with a link or a redirect. Bard गीता 01:49, 3 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Merge one into the other. Bearian (talk) 18:43, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep As these citations and innumerable others at Google Books (found with a search narrowed to before 1980) show, Communalism is not something Murray Bookchin made up.
 * Communalism:from its origins to the twentieth century; by Kenneth Rexroth
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 * Communalism has a long tradition that Bookchin usurped, by using it as a name for his theories, as part of his history of breaking first with communism and then with anarchism. It has a separate verifiable existence which outside of Murray and India.
 * The nomination is not potentially biased just because the nominator is on the Conservatism project, but the article is potentially biased because the creator was banned....Nope. Pick one. Can't have it both ways. Anarchangel (talk) 21:01, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Firsfron of Ronchester  03:52, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Note There is also Communalism (South Asia). It seems to me that these articles need to be sorted out. Kitfoxxe (talk) 12:18, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
 * So do we want to consense to create a disambiguation page? And also to trim out duplicative overlapping content? Bard गीता 22:00, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.