Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Comparison of Major League Baseball and Nippon Professional Baseball


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Numerous sources have been presented which discuss the topic, refuting the central concept of the detele arguments. These sources remain unchallenged after several days, indicating GNG is met and therefore the topic is notable. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 17:29, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

Comparison of Major League Baseball and Nippon Professional Baseball

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To me, this falls more along the lines of WP:NOTESSAY, just listing certain aspects of Nippon Professional Baseball that are different than that of Major League Baseball, as opposed to a flat-out comparison between the two, which even if it was, I don’t would be necessary. Why chose only MLB to compare NPB to? Why not the KBO League? Or Chinese Professional Baseball League? The are seemingly endless differences you could find between leagues. This was created with content from the NPB page, so anything worth including is probably best suited there. Penale52 (talk) 17:31, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Baseball-related deletion discussions. Penale52 (talk) 17:35, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
 * A reasonable point. As the creator of this article, I moved content from the Nippon Professional Baseball to something new, as having this section as part of the NPB article seemed a bit of a US-centric view i.e. that Major League Baseball is the default. If it was to be re-merged into the NPB article, it would seem balanced to also have an equivalent section in the MLB article. Or perhaps a more suitable article would be one comparing all the different types of baseball in one place? Cripesohblimey (talk) 17:59, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I'd say that the Professional baseball article is pretty slim at the moment and probably the best place to compare the style of baseball played in the different countries. Spanneraol (talk) 19:06, 12 January 2022 (UTC)


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 * Merge: Sourced and written in good faith, much of the material is probably salvageable, but the choices of league seem arbitrary -- if anything it probably creates more US-centricism to have an article expressly choosing the US league to compare to. Gnomingstuff (talk) 21:50, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep Not sure if the information would be best served in the international baseball article, this seems to have enough substance to have an article on its own. The first half could use more citations, but the second half has more than enough. Oaktree b (talk) 01:16, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep. Looks to be a reasonable article, well-reffed enough, important enough subject. As the project moves forward thru the years we need to be expecting new material like this coming in and not be too resistant... It's not really an essay. There's nothing about "Oh well the pace and attitude is different in Japan" or whatever (altho that could be added if ref'd). It is synthesis, but then many of our articles are, and it's functional and appropriate synthesis. As to OPs point "Why chose only MLB to compare NPB to? Why not the KBO League? Or Chinese Professional Baseball League? The are seemingly endless differences you could find between leagues", well for one things, are those AAAA level, and if so (or even not) by all means let's expand the article to include those down the line, maybe, rather than a procrustean chopping. You could say "why have this when we don't have that" about a lot of things.
 * As to merge, enh, that's a matter of opinion. The creator didn't think it best, and I'm good with that. Article is not perfect... I would consider making a lot of it into a table... I don't know if that'd be an improvement or not. Herostratus (talk) 06:11, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

*Delete A (well-written) WP:ESSAY. Useful content could be incorporated in the articles for the leagues. MrsSnoozyTurtle 06:03, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep Thanks to the sources listed by Fulmard below. MrsSnoozyTurtle 11:33, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   09:56, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep. Subject is well-sourced enough to meet the WP:GNG. BD2412  T 04:23, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Less Unless (talk) 17:00, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete. Now, if the differences between MLB and NPB baseball were something that was written about in reliable sources, then I could see an article here. As it stands, though, this looks like it's pretty much original research via synthesis, and should probably be deleted. (I can't access the NYT source, so I don't know about that one.) (Unrelated but I really need to work on my run-on sentences, wow) casualdejekyll (talk) 21:10, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete or Draftify: The two leagues and their rules are clearly notable, but the comparison between them does not seem to be something that's covered by reliable sources. No objection to retaining in draft space if folks think the content can be used elsewhere. –dlthewave ☎ 13:53, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep- MLB is the largest baseball league, so this isn't about being America centric as far as I can see.Article can be improved, but does not merit deletion.Captain Jack Sparrow (talk) 03:44, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete as SYNTH. None of the sources are about comparisons. Clarityfiend (talk) 01:22, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep, of course it is notable. Whenever baseball in Japan is discussed in sources it is compared to the American game too.Fulmard (talk) 19:21, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Could you please provide some examples of such sources? MrsSnoozyTurtle 21:31, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Sure: Baseball, "Besuboru, Yakyu": Comparing the American and Japanese Games, Indiana Journal of Global Legal Studies, The Scientific Differences Between Masahiro Tanaka Pitching in Japan and Major League Baseball, Analysis of Injuries and Pitching Performance Between Major League Baseball and Nippon Professional Baseball: A 2-Team Comparison Between 2015 to 2019, Japan’s Standardized Baseballs Are Popular With Pitchers, Labor in Nippon Professional Baseball and the Future of Player Transfers to Major League Baseball.Fulmard (talk) 05:43, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Fulmard. Due to these sources, I would now agree that the topic is notable. MrsSnoozyTurtle 11:33, 4 February 2022 (UTC)


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