Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Comparison of the Saudi government and the Islamic State


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The result was delete. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:20, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

Comparison of the Saudi government and the Islamic State

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This is just a short list of similarities which on editor came up with, ie it's mostly if not entirely original research. Beach drifter (talk) 17:50, 22 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete Article topic doesn't meet GNG. Only one source on the article refers to similarities between the two entities in reference to penal punishments which if deemed worthy could be included in other articles. Article reads very much like an essay by the article creator. The very first sentence is a very contentious claim that the Saudi Arabia government directly helped ISIL over a number of years. Something even our article on ISIL doesn't make, indeed it makes the opposite statement. The last sentence refers to ISIL as a country which is a claim not recognised by any state/country in the world. At best this is an attempt by the article creator at synthesis WP:SYNTH while at worst I fear it is an attempt to advocate for ISIL by pointing out similarities between it and one of the leading Muslim countries. Cowlibob (talk) 21:14, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
 * The statement about me calling ISIS a "country" was translated from the Spanish Wikipedia, so there will inevitably be some mistakes. Saudi Arabia directly helping ISIS was the subject of an article in The Independent.-- Eat me, I'm a red bean (discuss)(contribs) 01:33, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
 * If you're referring to the The Independent ref in the article, it is an opinion piece and should be credited as such. It also makes the claim that individuals contributed not that the government did. Cowlibob (talk) 09:41, 23 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Move to Saudi Arabia and ISIL or Response of Saudi Arabia to ISIL as per the existence of the articles Iran and ISIL, United Kingdom and ISIL, and ISIL in American media. Military efforts against ISIL done by representatives of the Saudi government are notable and should be covered on Wikipedia, same as the catch-22 situation given that some Saudi citizens have worked to fund and support groups such as Al Qaeda, ISIL, etc. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 01:43, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
 * In principle I would not be opposed to that but it would require a complete rewrite of the article as those are topics covered in the current article. Cowlibob (talk) 09:41, 23 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete Speedily so. The article in its current form is nothing but OR and a coatrack. I'm amused to see that Da-esh has been confirmed as a country.FreeatlastChitchat (talk) 03:55, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete I don't think this article is helpful at all.سامي الرحيلي (talk) 08:24, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
 * WP:IDL.-- Eat me, I'm a red bean (discuss)(contribs) 11:36, 23 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment - I've gone ahead and created the Response of Saudi Arabia to ISIL article. While I feel like I ought to note that fact here, the content is different and it's independent from this article being proposed for deletion. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 00:00, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Middle East-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 20:12, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Saudi Arabia-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 20:12, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
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 * Delete, original research and misrepresented sources. Articles on other topics related to ISIL and Saudi Arabia might be written; this is beyond salvage. Huon (talk) 00:31, 29 August 2015 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.