Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Comparisons of the Batman comics and films


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Cirt (talk) 00:13, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Comparisons of the Batman comics and films

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WP:OR and WP:SYNTHESIS. Sources give facts about the films and comics- they do not compare them to each other. Ironholds (talk) 14:14, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep comparisons of this sort are widely accepted here. /they can be expressed by giving comparative facts sourced to the works; this does not require synthesis or original research--just collecting the information from the different sources.    DGG ( talk ) 15:41, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Really? Taking this as an example, consensus seems to be that it is encyclopedic where there are works comparing them. Ironholds (talk) 15:48, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
 * that was a atypical AfD due to disputes  about whether or not the comparison made any sense at all, as some people saw no obvious relation between the Han Empire & the Roman.  This is not likely to be the case here. Can anyone say that the comparison of the same characters in films & comics is not totally obvious?    DGG ( talk ) 00:43, 10 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment. I don't necessarily have a problem with an article on this subject, the problem is that the article does not appear to do what it says on the title. There does not appear to be much comparison being done, but rather extended plot details about characters. Much of this information is already present in the individual character articles so I don't understand the purpose of the article as written. (For example under the heading Batman (1989 film), the section on the Joker is largely the same as sections of Joker (comics).) At the moment I am leaning towards delete on the basis of duplication and the article apparently not being about what its title says. Quantpole (talk) 17:13, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete It would probably pose WP:OR and WP:SYNTH issues if the article was actually about what it claims to be. The problem is that it's not. This article is simply a rehash of other, better articles that are already listed at Category:Lists of Batman characters . If someone wanted to create something to the tune of Characters in the Batman Universe that comprehensively described the characters from all the assorted mediums, then knock yourself out, possibly even rename this article and then expand on it. But the article as it currently stands should go. Trusilver  22:38, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete We tend to discourage articles about comparisons, simply because one can compare anything to anything else.  In this instance, it's an extremely limited bit of original research, which would more accurately be titled "Comparisons of the characters in the pre-1959 Batman comics and the post-1989 Batman films".  This is the type of stuff that is already done within the articles about the characters themselves, where one can discuss the interpretations of the Joker by Heath Ledger, Jack Nicholson, Cesar Romero, and the various DC artists.  Mandsford (talk) 15:39, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
 * My own personal view is that we should rather encourage them. An encyclopedia is a place to collect information, and to arrange related subjects together.   DGG ( talk ) 00:43, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Except when the arrangement comes through OR and synthesis. There is justification for a comparison article between X and Y when that comparison has been covered in reliable sources, not when an article can by synthesised and stitched together from sources dealing with X and Y. Ironholds (talk) 09:38, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 02:30, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Comics and animation-related deletion discussions.  —Emperor (talk) 01:16, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Delete this isn't a comparison it is a retelling of the character's roles in the various media, which are already dealt with in the relevant articles - the only way it could be a comparison is if you were already knowledgeable about the relevant character and could spot the differences. If anyone wanted to write about the comparisons they should be on the films' article or in the relevant part of character's article, but even then they'd need to be well sourced or they'd get removed for original research. So this isn't the article it claims to be and even if it was, this isn't the place for this information (and if if it were in the right place, it'd need to be better written and better sourced than this example). (Emperor (talk) 02:46, 19 January 2010 (UTC))
 * This AfD nomination was incomplete (missing step 3). It is listed now. DumbBOT (talk) 12:24, 20 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete An obviously hopeless case for WP:OR and WP:SYNTHESIS. Mangoe (talk) 16:26, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete Oh no. For a change I disagree with DGG, because this is clear WP:SYNTH/WP:OR and is essentially going to remain so. I'd be struggling to see the benefit even if it could be properly sourced, but this is just fan opinion nonsense. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 21:43, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.