Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Complete Songs & Poems


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The result was redirect to The Tolkien Ensemble. (non-admin closure) buidhe 04:41, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

Complete Songs & Poems

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Doesn't seem to meet WP:NALBUM or WP:GNG. The listed source is for scifi.com, I am unfamiliar with this source and its reliability. However, a WP:BEFORE search brings up very little that would pass WP:MUSICRS. Last.fm is deprecated, I believe, the AllMusic entry is a track listing with no reviews (not even user reviews), there are a host of blogs, and various sites that look rather unreliable such as "Musicbrainz". Doesn't seem to have a whole lot of coverage in reliable sources. Hog Farm (talk) 03:16, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
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 * Keep: I can find coverage of the Tolkien Ensemble in the following sources:
 * The J.R.R. Tolkien Encyclopedia: Scholarship and Critical Assessment, Taylor & Francis (2006), pg 539
 * Middle-earth Minstrel: Essays on Music in Tolkien, McFarland & Co (2010), pg 158-159
 * The Lord of the Rings: Popular Culture in Global Context, Wallflower (2006), pg 305
 * You can also see other sources listed in the five other Wikipedia articles about the Tolkien Ensemble and their work: The Tolkien Ensemble, An Evening in Rivendell, A Night in Rivendell, At Dawn in Rivendell and Leaving Rivendell. I think a Merge proposal would be more appropriate than a nomination for deletion. — Toughpigs (talk) 03:26, 18 June 2020 (UTC)


 * - Yes, those sources support notability for the band. However, those sources have no mention of this particular album.  The days of an album only needing to be by a notable band to be notable are gone.  Albums actually have to be notable on their own to pass WP:NALBUM now.  A merge would likely not be a great idea, since the only sourced content is the massive track listing, which would be WP:UNDUE at the band article.  I'm even ambivalent on a redirect, as there seems to be other albums/books/children's works with similar titles to this.  While the Tolkien Ensemble is notable, not all of their works are. Hog Farm (talk) 16:47, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Redirect to The Tolkien Ensemble. The group appears to be notable, however there is not a whole lot of coverage on this specific album itself.  Largely, I'm guessing, because it was merely a compilation of their previously released albums rather than any new material.  WP:NALBUM states that album articles that are "little more than a track listing" (which is certainly the case here) could be more appropriate merged into the group's main or discography article.  However, as this album was just a compilation of their prior four albums, and each of those already has an independent article, I don't think that would be particularly useful in this case.  Rorshacma (talk) 16:38, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Redirect to The Tolkien Ensemble - I agree that the "keep" voter above found sources that are about the band but not about this particular album. Some of their other albums, also listed by the "keep" voter above, have achieved various amounts of notability, but again that does nothing for this album. It is simply a collection of previous releases, probably intended for hardcore fans but unnoticed by the public or the music media. It is already mentioned briefly at the group's article and that is sufficient. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (Talk&#124;Contribs) 00:45, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Redirect. Not seeing what makes the album notable? See WP:NMUSIC. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 07:54, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Redirect to The Tolkien Ensemble: Per reasons above. ASTIG😎  (ICE T • ICE CUBE) 01:53, 24 June 2020 (UTC)


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