Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Complete Vocal Institute


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The result was keep. No rebuttal from nominator despite ping and relist and no other delete comments but one keep comment.  So Why  09:35, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

Complete Vocal Institute

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A school for singers. Questionable notability per WP:GNG, see also Articles for deletion/Complete Vocal Technique; and written in a mostly promotional tone. It has no reliable sources as footnotes, a bunch of Danish texts that I can't evaluate as references, and a Google News search indicates that the school is occasionally mentioned in articles about singers who attended it, but not covered as such.  Sandstein  10:38, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Denmark-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 17:33, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  So Why  15:44, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

Reply to @Sandstein's arguments above: Complete Vocal Institute is a reputable singing institute, and possibly the largest in Denmark in terms of graduating singers per year. Their 3-year Singer/Singing Teacher Diploma Course is ECTS approved. Aside from educating singers and voice teachers they also perform extensive scientific research into the voice. Their research data is publicly available, and they have published several scientific articles. See for instance their articles in the peer-reviewed Journal of Voice: Overdrive and Edge as Refiners of “Belting”? by Dr. Julian McGlashan, Mathias Aaen Thuesen, and Cathrine Sadolin, and Curbing—The Metallic Mode In-between by Mathias Aaen Thuesen, Julian McGlashan, and Cathrine Sadolin. Their research is also cited in many papers, for instance The “Overdrive” Mode in the “Complete Vocal Technique”: A Preliminary Study by prof. Johan Sundberg, ed al.

The referenced articles in the footnotes are mainly in Swedish (not Danish) and refer to two papers from Luleå University of Technology (Sweden), three from the University of Gothenburg (Sweden), and two from the Royal Music Conservatory of Stockholm (Sweden). And since Sandstein edits the German Wikipedia he'll probably understand this article better than the Swedish ones: Neue Gesangs-Technik aus Dänemark: „Complete Vocal Technique“ in the german journal Musik und Unterricht. The article explains the core principles of Complete Vocal Technique.

The last reference is a conference proceding (in English) from the 8th Pan-European Voice Conference (also known as PEVOC). The PEVOC is an interdisciplinary conference for voice professionals to exchange knowledge about the human voice. PEVOC takes place in different European cities every two years and is one of the largest conferences for voice professionals in Europe. CVI staff are frequent speakers at voice conferences such as PEVOC, AES, PVC, COST and BACO. The article on Complete Vocal Institute is as important to have on Wikipedia as any university or music conservatory of repute. Also, since it is a merged article with a previous article on Complete Vocal Technique the article also holds notability as covering a widely used, documented and referenced vocal technique, just like for instance Estill Voice Training. Wikipedia's Deletion Policy states that "If editing can improve the page, this should be done rather than deleting the page." So if the main problem with the article is it's references the article should be left up and edited, adding more reliable references, rather than deleting it. --EsbenFrank (talk) 19:37, 23 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep and improve. As per the arguments I listed above, the article definitely holds notability, both as an article about Complete Vocal Institute and about Complete Vocal Technique. It obviously needs to have more reliable sources added, but according to the above there is no shortage of such references. By the way, before you ask about my own bias: I hold an education from CVI, but I have no professional affiliation with CVI otherwise. I am a professional singer, conductor and vocal coach, and currently studying musicology at the University of Copenhagen. --EsbenFrank (talk) 18:00, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment: According to Professor Johan Sundberg, "“Complete Vocal Technique,” or CVT, is an internationally widespread method for teaching voice." . I think this speaks very clearly of the Notability of at least the section on Complete Vocal Technique! --EsbenFrank (talk) 21:37, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Winged Blades Godric  04:32, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep Slight COPRDEPTH issues, but ok via SchoolOutcomes and Esben Frank's paragraph. L3X1 (distænt write)   )evidence(  02:16, 9 August 2017 (UTC)


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