Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Conan (Marvel Comics)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Conan (comics). While the topic might be notable, the consensus is that it is adequately covered at the redirect target. Further, there's some discussion about a broader merger/cleanup of Conan-related articles that can and should still take place, but not here. Eddie891 Talk Work 16:03, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Conan (Marvel Comics)

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Ok, I am sure this will generate some heat particularly from people who won't even read this rationale. But for those who don't. First, this is not the article about Conan the Barbarian (in fact this I initally thought it would be simply best to merge those two together, but this proposal was rejected at Talk:Conan_the_Barbarian). Second, and this a bit less obvious, but as comments at the merge discussion reveal, people confuse the topic of Conan the character in comic books with the comic book series named Conan the Barbarian (comics), which is NOT being deleted. The sources given in the merge discussion and in the article (and that will probably appear here, sigh) like,  or , or anything else I see are either about the Conan the Barbarian or about Conan the Barbarian (comics). None of them discusses the character of Conan in the Marvel universe as separate from Conan the Barbarian in general, this is like arguing that we should have separate articles for Iron Man for his comic continuity (or several), movie-verse continuity, appearances in anime, etc (ok, actually he gets two, but the other article is a terrible mess, see Articles for deletion/Alternative versions of Iron Man; and in general, one fictional character should get one article which summarizes his various versions in different media, this seems rather logical..). Before some people post with a knee-jerk reaction, pretty please, consider that the only content here is a mostly unreferenced lead summarizing Conan the Barbarian (comics) article, with a bit of information from another Marvel series he appeared in (Savage Sword of Conan) thrown in, and then the list of appearances of Conan in other Marvel comic books. As a fictional character, Conan is, well, Conan. This article is effectively List of appearances of Conan the Barbarian in Marvel Comic publications, which I am not sure would pass WP:LISTN. So if you are going to vote keep, at least understand what the article is about (and consider renaming the article...). PS. There is also the Conan (Dark Horse Comics) (which again is just List of appearances of Conan the Barbarian in Dark Horse publications, mis-named as an article about a fictional character). Both could be merged into List of comic book appearances of Conan the Barbarian, I guess, but again I struggle to see how such lists would pass WP:LISTN. So in essense Conan has at least three articles about himself (main, tMarvel, Dark Horse, through the latter two are clealry just list of apperances in comics, no more and no less). After digging a bit more I see we have Conan (comics), which probably would be the best target into which we could merge both Marvel and Dark Horse Conan articles (which again are essentially just list of appearances), through considering how much unreferenced WP:FANCRUFT content there is in those articles, a delete is also an option... (but please note I proposed a merge first and this AfD is a result of the first merge being rejected, granted, maybe Conan (comics) would have been a better target to propose but it is easy to get lost in the current deluge of Conan-in-comics POVFORKS; and finally, we might as well discuss whether the targetarticle should be renamed; another name to consider might be Conan the Barbarian in comics. Anyway, comments appreciated. Delete, merge (where), keep because...? Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 06:51, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
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 * Keep per WP:TLDR. The essential point here is that Savage Sword of Conan was highly successful; I have some issues myself.  But it wasn't the only Conan comic published by Marvel and so there's some need for a bibliography of Marvel's publishing history with this major character.  That's what we have here and it covers other significant works such as the newspaper strip.  As Conan is a huge topic, there's perhaps some need for consolidation or restructuring across the various pages but that is not a pressing issue per WP:NOTPAPER and WP:DEADLINE.  We have ample space for this and more and so the page should be kept for further development per WP:ATD and WP:PRESERVE. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:09, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
 * No, Wikipedia is not a place for "a bibliography of Marvel's publishing history with this major character". Not unless you can show that this topic is discussed in reliable sources. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 12:38, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Per WP:NOTCLEANUP, AfD is not a place for long, rambling, cleanup discussions. And, per WP:CHOICE, it's not a place to make demands of other editors.  And per WP:BEFORE, the nominator is expected to do the work of reviewing sources.  There are, of course, plenty of bibliographies for Conan as published by Marvel and others.  These include the Encyclopedia of Comic Books and Graphic Novels (vol. 2); Marvel Graphic Novels and Related Publications; The Conan Companion: A Publishing History; &c. Andrew🐉(talk) 13:53, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Redirect or merge somewhere - The whole set of articles seems pretty messy. It seems like a list of publications starring Conan is likely justified (looks like it's all covered in Conan (comics)?), but there's absolutely no need for a dedicated list of publications featuring him. That's the basis for a never ending rabbit hole of nonsense list articles. Looking at some popular, far-reaching characters, they generally only list titles and collections in which they are the main character. TTN (talk) 13:36, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Redirect w/ Potential Merge to Conan (comics), where the essential information (some notable series/publications, awards won, etc) is already covered. The extensive, completely uncited bibliography should not be kept.  The first two sources that are currently here could definitely be added to the target article, but there is not much in the way of actual prose that needs to be merged.  Rorshacma (talk) 16:49, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge - I would merge all into one article about Conan in comics, I think. - GizzyCatBella  🍁  18:27, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Conan (comics), this particular version of Conan does not pass GNG as a character, this article functions as a mostly unreferenced list of random appearances in random marvel comics, some of which are original research. I would oppose a merge, as most of this stuff is unsourced and what is sourced does not need to go anywhere. Devonian Wombat (talk) 02:36, 22 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Redirect- to Conan (comics). As pointed out by the Wombat, the existing content is unsourced and the target is already so full of cruft adding any more would make it worse. Reyk YO! 13:52, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Redirect to an article / section about the series. This article is currently bibliography / list of appearances anyway. That's the place to cover it and this separate article is redundant. Jontesta (talk) 15:19, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
 * This article isn't about a specific series, it's about 8 different series. Duggy 1138 (talk) 11:00, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge (conditional) to one of the above mentioned articles. I was highly tempted to vote "Keep per WP:TLDR" (the rationale is rambly and hard to follow), but after checking, the article consists solely of a disembodied lead section and a bunch of lists. Even if enough coverage exists to indicate that this specific version of Conan is independently notable (hypothetically speaking), I suspect that no one would be willing to do anything about that anytime soon. I am willing to change my vote if someone proves me wrong and actually does it. Templating is rarely effective and there's no reason this lead section can't be relocated in the meantime.  Dark knight  2149  22:26, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment- if a nomination is below X number of words in length it's "boilerplate" and therefore bad and wrong. If it's above X number of words, it's TLDR and therefore bad and wrong. There's just no pleasing some people. Reyk YO!</b> 07:11, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Do or don't, you are wrong... --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 09:24, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Redirect or merge per Rorshacma, as lacking reliable independent coverage. Shooterwalker (talk) 15:09, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment- to clear what pages exist:
 * Conan_the_Barbarian - The Robert E Howard character, includes Conan_the_Barbarian
 * Adaptations_of_works_by_Robert_E._Howard - About adaptions of Howard's works (small section on comics - Adaptations_of_works_by_Robert_E._Howard)
 * Conan_(comics) - An overview of Marvel adaptions and Dark Horse adaptions then a long list of titles.
 * Conan_(Marvel_Comics) - About Marvel publications featuring Conan.
 * Conan_the_Barbarian_(comics) - The Marvel comic "Conan the Barbarian."
 * Savage_Sword_of_Conan - The Marvel comic "Savage Sword of Conan"
 * Conan_the_Adventurer_(comics) - The comic that replaced "Conan the Barbarian" at Marvel (stub)
 * Official_Handbook_of_the_Conan_Universe] - A one-shot guide to Marvel's Conan.
 * Savage_Tales - A comic that originally had Conan in it.
 * Some Marvel Conan comics don't have (or deserve) pages.
 * Conan_(Dark_Horse_Comics) - Covering the various Conan titles published at Dark Horse. Mostly a list of issues.
 * I don't know that Keep, Merge or Delete are the answer. I think a clean up of all these pages, perhaps merging Conan_(comics) into Conan_the_Barbarian or Adaptations_of_works_by_Robert_E._Howard (and fixing issues with Conan_(Marvel_Comics) and Conan_(Dark_Horse_Comics)) or instead merging Conan_(Marvel_Comics) and Conan_(Dark_Horse_Comics) into Conan_(comics), but I think the merging process just moves the problem. Duggy 1138 (talk) 11:20, 31 August 2020 (UTC)


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