Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Confessor (Sword of Truth)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was Delete. With respect to the other mentioned articles, you may want to consider (besides editorial solutions) also proposed deletions, referring to this AfD. --Tikiwont (talk) 10:27, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Confessor (Sword of Truth)

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I am listing this article for deletion for the following three reasons:

1. It is not notable. The topic is an obscure concept in an equally obscure fantasy series. The novel is already listed on Wikipedia, so perhaps what little material can be salvaged (see 3. below) could be moved there.

2. It is not written in appropriate tone, possibly because...

3. It is rampant plagiarism; most of the text is simply copied verbatim from the original fiction. I do not have the originals at hand (if I did, I'd have opted for SD) but as far as I recall, this is copyrighted stuff.

Freederick (talk) 04:07, 20 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete: Unsourced, but probably not even notable anyways. If this is important to the novel, then merge there.  No need for a separate article. - Rjd0060 (talk) 04:43, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
 * delete fancruft. Free of the analysis of the "in universe" content required to be an encyclopedic topic.  totally unreferenced, where is the evidence of extensive coverage in secondary sources required by WP:N?  Note: exact same problems with Mud People, Wilds, Rang'Shada, Midlands (Sword of Truth), King's Port, Boundary (Sword of Truth), Emperor Jagang (Sword of Truth), Shota (Sword of Truth), Underworld (Sword of Truth), Fire Spring, Richard Rahl, Kahlan Amnell, Westland (Sword of Truth), Southaven (Sword of Truth), Shadow people (Sword of Truth), D'Hara, Boundary warden, Zeddicus Zu'l Zorander, Darken Rahl, Ven Forest, Hawker's Trail, Wizard (Sword of Truth), Skow Swamp, Tamarang, Magic (Sword of Truth), Michael Cypher, George Cypher, Book of Counted Shadows, Seeker of Truth, Nicci (Sword of Truth), Quad (Sword of Truth), First Wizard, Hartland (Sword of Truth), First Councilor, Aum plant, Sword of Truth, Panis Rahl, Night stone, Nathan Rahl, Council of the Midlands. People's Peace Army, Boxes of Orden, Wizard's Rule, Chase (Dell Brandstone), Sorceress (Sword of Truth), Wizard's Keep, Aydindril, Wizard's rock, Emperor Jagang (Sword of Truth), Sisters of the Light, Sisters of the Dark, Tanimura, Palace of the Prophets, Grace (Sword of Truth), and many many many more, all of which are equally unencyclopedic cruft from the same fictional source.  For the love of Wiki, how many articles do we have on Proust's masterwork! make it stop! make it stop! make it stop! Pete.Hurd (talk) 04:53, 20 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Gaaah! I only saw this one article (Confessor) that I nominated for deletion, plus the main article about the series. What you have uncovered is frightening .  Still, I have mixed feelings about this.  Apparently somebody out there cares enough to put in all this misguided labor.  Perhaps some remnants can mercifully be incorporated into the main article.  The writing is atrocious, though; if this is copied from the original novels (and it probably is--I tried to read one of them a very long time ago) then this is one author whose books I'll never buy. Freederick (talk) 17:06, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Note also, there is a Sword of Truth wiki (with 939 articles!?!), it's not like the people fascinated by this fictional world have no other venue for their creative energy. Pete.Hurd (talk) 22:18, 20 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete. I don't have a copy of Wizard's First Rule handy, but a lot of the phrases used here ring very familiar. And the articles Pete.Hurd points out just make me cry... many of them cover trivial plot elements, and every one I looked at contained text which looked like it was paraphrased directly from the books. I smell a mass AfD in the near future. WikiProject Sword Of Truth was supposed to clean this stuff up, but seems to have gone dead. Note that I'm specifically not recommending a merge, as this article is heavily tainted by plagiarism. Mentioning Confessors in an article on the series is appropriate, but none of the content here is clearly safe to reuse. Zetawoof(&zeta;) 05:27, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Strong Delete In an article this size, with that much in-universe material, it is nearly impossible to not quote directly from the text, or at the very least re-arrange the wording used in the book(s). There's also a fair bit in there that I'm pretty sure isn't in any of the books, leaving it to be pure fabrication. Confessors are a major part of the history tied up in the series, and if this had any literary commentary like it should, I would probably be at least neutral on the issue. However, it doesn't, and there is very little worth salvaging. Hers fold  (t/a/c) 06:13, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Additional comment on the massive list of articles above: Note that I haven't looked at any of those, having only read the Confessor article, but I would not nominate several of those for deletion without making a very significant effort to clean them up first. You've got every one of the main characters in there (some twice), and a fair number of major places as well. I do agree that many of them have absolutely no reason to be here at all - Michael Cypher only had a relatively minor role in the first book, where he was killed almost immediately upon appearing in person. I know you're not nominating them now, I just wanted to throw that out in case someone felt like making a mass nomination based on your list. Hers fold  (t/a/c) 06:13, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I'd disagree with your assessment. It's entirely possible (and, in fact, vital) to write an article about a fictional topic without quoting the text either directly or indirectly; for example, Jedi only uses two brief quotations. On the other hand, Darken Rahl is almost entirely composed of cobbled-together quotes from the novels. So are (from a random sampling) Wizard's rock, Quad (Sword of Truth), and even Seeker of Truth. I'll put this bluntly: As they stand, virtually all of these articles are serious copyright violations. Even if their subjects are notable per Wikipedia's notability guidelines on fictional subjects (which many of them aren't - the guiding principle is relevance outside of the subject's fictional universe), most would have to be rewritten from scratch anyway. Zetawoof(&zeta;) 09:58, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Seriously Hersfold, take a look at In Search of Lost Time. That's much more like what an encyclopedia article is like.  It's an article on a series of novels, very influential ones, note how it focuses on topics other than trivial minutia of plot. Pete.Hurd (talk) 15:37, 20 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Note that I've opened a further AfD on various minor Sword of Truth locations. Zetawoof(&zeta;) 22:04, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete No secondary sources to establish notability or provide real world context. Jay32183 (talk) 22:30, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete - per all of the reasons described above.   jj137  ( Talk ) 16:53, 23 November 2007 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.