Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Conflict (Sy Smith album)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus to delete. There is a clear absence of consensus to delete the article at this time, and editors preferring to keep the article have offered solutions to the problems raised by the nomination. bd2412 T 01:59, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

Conflict (Sy Smith album)

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Delete - Fails the mandatory criteria mentioned by WP:NALBUMS. Relying on one source (Billboard) that doesn't all have much information about the article. There is no point in having this article separate from singer's article. Horizonlove (talk) 05:40, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 06:39, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 06:39, 8 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep as has reliable sources reviews such as Billboard, also Nu-Soul Magazine and Soultracks. To nominator please keep this version as it shows the reviews whereas the cut version had the wrong billboard reference, regards Atlantic306 (talk) 11:38, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Note Nu Soul Magazine is not confirmed to be a reliable source. Soultracks is debatable but in this case, it only cites their own review of the album. Furthermore, they are NO confirmed release dates for any of the singles other "Fly Away With Me", no confirmed album sales, the Critical Response section is completely WP:COPYPASTE from other links, the Billboard reference only directs to singer's page on Billboard.com which does NOT name the album or album's producers as the source is currently being used for, the album has not charted on any Billboard charts, has not won any awards, and Smith has not been on any major radio stations or TV shows to promote the album other than The Mo'Nique Show. There is no point in listing "Conflict", "Spies", "B-Side Love Affair", and "Art of You" as singles because they have no physical or digital single release; just music videos. When I break it down like this, the article has no reason to be separate from the Sy Smith page. Horizonlove (talk) 18:12, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep - I try to stick to the "assume good faith" standard, but the nominator's comments display an unfamiliarity with some relevant WP policies including WP:BEFORE, WP:NEXIST, and WP:UGLY. The AfD process is not the forum for drawing attention to an article that needs clean-up or expansion. An editor who is capable of initiating the AfD process can use those same fingers to improve the article in question. Also, it has never been necessary for an album to chart and win awards to be considered notable in Wikipedia. Those are things that help establish notability, but being reviewed in reliable sources, as is the case with this album, also bestows enough notability for at least a stub article. The Billboard links added by the last voter are brief but valid, and I also found this much more substantial review: . ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (Talk&#124;Contribs) 13:00, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment - In WP:UGLY, it states "...if an article is so bad that it is harmful in its current state, then deleting now, and possibly recreating it later, remains an option. For example, problems like copyright infringement, advertising, patent nonsense, or unsourced negative statements in biographies of living people, need to be resolved as quickly as possible." As stated in the comment to another user, the "Critical reception" is completely WP:COPYPASTE. So when you take that out and also removed alleged singles that I can't find a source for (other than "Fly Away..."), you're basically left with nothing but a track listing. So you might as well just merge Conflict with Sy Smith. You might want to reread WP:NALBUMS and consider revising your comments. My reason for deletion is good faith and consistent with Wikipedia policy. Horizonlove (talk) 16:06, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Counter-Comment - The COPYPASTE violation can be re-written and paraphrased to indicate that the publication really did mention the item, though without completely plagiarizing the publication. In other words, that block of text could be fixed without deleting it, and that could said for the entire article too. Meanwhile the rest of us have located additional sources that could be used to expand the sections that you are criticizing for being too short. I am already completely familiar with WP:NALBUMS, but at your recommendation I will reread it if you vow to read WP:NEXIST for the first time. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (Talk&#124;Contribs) 18:22, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment - "the rest of us have located additional sources". Who is "us" and what "additional sources"? I have already looks for reliable sources that mentions the recording of the album, the album's singles, the album's sales, as well as a tour that took place. I don't see any reliable source that confirms any of that. I've already looked but if you can confirmed any of that, then maybe it would make sense for the article to stay. But in my opinion, it is not notable for separate article and I don't see the harm in merging this article. Horizonlove (talk) 23:42, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Yeesh... "Who is "us" and what "additional sources"? Atlantic306 and myself, who have mentioned sources from Billboard, SoulTracks, and NuSoul right before your eyes in the above discussion. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (Talk&#124;Contribs) 00:48, 13 October 2018 (UTC)


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