Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Congregation Arugas Habosem


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   Move to Amram Taub. Consensus is that the congregation itself is not notable, but Amram Taub himself may be notable, and since the majority of this article is already about Taub, we might as well rename the article. ‑Scottywong | verbalize _ 23:25, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Congregation Arugas Habosem

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Article fails WP:GNG without reliable, independent sources. TM 15:03, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep, or move to Amram Taub, reorganize, and redirect from Congregation Arugas Habosem: As I hinted in my deprodding edit summary, Rabbi Amram Taub probably passes the GNG easily, and his congregation, which is mentioned/described in most articles about him, may as well. If, at worst, these mentions should be considered insignificant, the article should be renamed (it focuses on Taub anyways) with the current title as a redirect. (Even if there is some significant coverage of the synagogue in reliable sources, which I will try to determine later, moving to Amram Taub is to be considered, as it is the congregation's only claim to fame. הסרפד  (call me Hasirpad) 16:16, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
 * (aka "Hasirpad") note that the key word "Congregation" because this article (and similar ones) are about congregations, not just the buildings in which they worship. Also, on WP there are general consensuses relating to deletion that aren't formally codified in the deletion guidelines; for example, there is apparently some long-standing consensus that every single high school on the planet is notable, regardless of age, size of student body, availability of reliable secondary sources, etc. Along those lines, there appears to be a general consensus that significant age does impart at least some degree of notability to a synagogue, despite what the subjective importance essay says. IZAK (talk) 06:55, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Judaism-related deletion discussions.  הסרפד  (call me Hasirpad) 16:22, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Maryland-related deletion discussions.  הסרפד  (call me Hasirpad) 16:22, 11 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep because it's one of the most important WP:N Hasidic Judaism's Orthodox synagogues, in Baltimore, Maryland, USA, and listed in the History of the Jews in Baltimore article. After all, what makes any synagogue notable? It is there for Jewish worship and religious gatherings, and if it is a long-time well-known synagogue it is in and of itself important and notable, as can be seen from the many synagogue-guides that refer to it: jewishtimes.com/synagogues-and-congregations (listed on Baltimore Jewish Times site); alljewishlinks.com/arugas-habosem-congregation-in-baltimore-maryland; baltimore.about.com/baltsynagogues; associated.org/jewishbaltimoresynagogues; vosizneias.com/baltimore-md-remembering-rabbi-amrom; jdate.com/synagogue-directory/temple_city; godaven.com/-Arugas Habosem-Rabbi Taub's Shul, and many more. The nominator has nominated not just this synagogue but another one at the same time as well for "deletion", see Articles for deletion/Congregation Tiferes Yisroel (2nd nomination). The nominator should withdraw this ill-considered nomination immediately as it seems to lack any insight to what the function of a synagogue is, especially one that is a well-established, and what it means to Jews and Judaism in Baltimore and beyond. Thank you, IZAK (talk) 21:01, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete: Wiki is not a catalog or directory of synagogues- NN. In addition, there seems to be Original Research in the process of arguing for keep. Most synagogues are by definition listed in synagogue guides, it does not make them notable. --Jayrav (talk) 21:52, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Rename and redirect to Amram Taub per Hasirpad's excellent suggestion. I wasn't able to locate reliable sources for the synagogue as easily as I did for Congregation Tiferes Yisroel, but there is plenty out there on Rabbi Taub. Yoninah (talk) 00:02, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
 * NOTE: Nominator, User aka "TM", seems to have started an arbitrary process of eliminating articles about Orthodox Judaism synagogues from Category:Orthodox synagogues in the United States, he is requested to stop this process of mass nominations for deletions without further discussions and requests for improvement of the articles. So far he has nominated for deletion these articles, plus Articles for deletion/Beth HaMedrosh Hagodol-Beth Joseph & Articles for deletion/Congregation Tiferes Yisroel (2nd nomination) & Articles for deletion/Anshei Sfard (Louisville, Kentucky) & Articles for deletion/Congregation Beth Israel (Malden, Massachusetts) that looks like its heading for mass deletions in this area. The nominator is requested to consider WP:DONOTDEMOLISH and WP:CHANCE and to please start a discussion or a WP:RFC if he feels such articles are not up to snuff at a venue of his choosing, or at WP:TALKJUDAISM that would make the most sense. Quite frankly this is not the best time to start a move to delete any synagogue articles given that the current Israel-Gaza conflict is now so hot that it is spilling over into attacks on synagogues in France, see Protesters scuffle with police at Paris synagogues (AP, July 13, 2014), and the problem is growing, so it behooves any editor undertaking such deletions to proceed with great care in order to avoid any semblance of impropriety until the temperature surrounding the role and place of synagogues as current flashpoints of conflict stops. Thank you, IZAK (talk) 03:53, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Request for Comment: An RfC that concerns this AfD has been opened. Please see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Judaism. Thank you, IZAK (talk) 04:25, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Community input has been requested, see Village pump (miscellaneous). Thank you, IZAK (talk) 06:22, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete&mdash;due to lack of WP:RS. A redirect would also be reasonable.  Lesser Cartographies (talk) 11:31, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment Arethere enough synagogues in Baltimore than a combination article might be possible? (analogous to what we do for school districts)  DGG ( talk ) 20:20, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Do you mean something along the lines of List of synagogues in Baltimore? Solar-Wind (talk) 22:25, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Even if a combination article could be made, the content of this article belongs at Amram Taub—the synagogue is discussed only in the first sentence, while the other three and a half paragraphs are about Taub. Should someone so desire, Congregation Arugas Habosem could redirect to List of synagogues in Baltimore. Wherever the redirect will point (as there seems to be a consensus on reidrecting somewhere), please bear in mind that there is a somewhat more notable Congregation Arugath Habosem in Williamsburg, Brooklyn, New York, sometimes spelled Arugas like the one in Baltimore, so proper disambiguation should be maintained. הסרפד  (call me Hasirpad) 23:10, 20 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica1000 16:48, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

 
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Jay  Jay What did I do? 17:27, 30 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete This article is almost entirely about an individual, not the subject.--Rpclod (talk) 17:38, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
 * ... about a notable individual, hence the suggested move and redirect. הסרפד  (call me Hasirpad) 18:33, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete - Not notable, a quick search doesn't find anything WP:RS on the congregation or the rabbi. XeroxKleenex (talk) 01:30, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Coverage about Amram Taub is mostly in Hebrew ("עמרם טויב&lrm;"). הסרפד  (call me Hasirpad) 03:03, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment That's fine if true, but doing what I could (pasting that Hebrew in a Google search, then running the results through Translate) I didn't see anything that looked useful. If you can read Hebrew, please find something relevant and RS, and either add it to the article or at least link it here, if he's notable I'll support a rename.  XeroxKleenex (talk) 05:21, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
 * My apologies, I thought I had already added the links I had found; for now, I'll add some here: (pp. 360–362): an article on the Taub family, with special focus on Amram Taub (all of p. 362; see also ); (pp. 34–35): an article about Taub's daughter's wedding, with half of the coverage devoted to Taub. There is much of the same in similar sources (rabbinic periodicals of the 60's and 70's). הסרפד  (call me Hasirpad) 17:42, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Also note the alternative English spelling, "Amrom Taub". הסרפד  (call me Hasirpad) 17:51, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.