Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Congregation Shomrei Emunah


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was No consensus -- after four (4) weeks at AfD, it's time to end this discussion. Bearian (talk) 20:12, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Congregation Shomrei Emunah

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:ORG. Sources discuss Rabbi's of Congregation, not the congregation itself. TM 11:49, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Judaism-related deletion discussions.  Jinkinson   talk to me  11:56, 13 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Comment. What's with all these synagogue-page deletions, TM? On this page, why don't you look into the references at the bottom and flesh out the page, rather than delete it on a flimsy excuse? And regarding your excuse, have you ever read Don't demolish the house while it's still being built, which says in a nutshell: An article too short to provide more than rudimentary information about a subject should be marked as a stub and edited, and expanded, rather than simply deleted? Yoninah (talk) 14:31, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
 * User:Yoninah, if you or anyone else can find multiple reliable sources about this Congregation, please do so. As it stands, the sources presented mention the Congregation in passing. I don't think there are enough reliable sources to make an article for Wikipedia.--TM 16:10, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
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 * Keep because the article is a WP:STUB that has started with a couple of WP:V & WP:RS. By the way, a synagogues rabbis is part of its history, so the nominator's argument makes no sense. What is the synagogue (building/structure/congregation etc) supposed to "do" to be "notable"? Thank you, IZAK (talk) 23:51, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
 * NOTE: Nominator, User aka "TM", seems to have started an arbitrary process of eliminating articles about Orthodox Judaism synagogues from Category:Orthodox synagogues in the United States, he is requested to stop this process of mass nominations for deletions without further discussions and requests for improvement of the articles. So far he has nominated for deletion these articles: Articles for deletion/Congregation Tiferes Yisroel (2nd nomination) & Articles for deletion/Congregation Arugas Habosem & Articles for deletion/Anshei Sfard (Louisville, Kentucky) & Articles for deletion/Beth HaMedrosh Hagodol-Beth Joseph & Articles for deletion/Congregation Beth Israel (Malden, Massachusetts) & Articles for deletion/Temple Anshe Amunim (Pittsfield, Massachusetts) that looks like its heading for mass deletions in this area. The nominator is requested to consider WP:DONOTDEMOLISH and WP:CHANCE and to please start a discussion or a WP:RFC if he feels such articles are not up to snuff at a venue of his choosing, or at WP:TALKJUDAISM that would make the most sense. Quite frankly this is not the best time to start a move to delete any synagogue articles given that the current Israel-Gaza conflict is now so hot that it is spilling over into attacks on synagogues in France, see Protesters scuffle with police at Paris synagogues (AP, July 13, 2014), and the problem is growing, so it behooves any editor undertaking such deletions to proceed with great care in order to avoid any semblance of impropriety until the temperature surrounding the role and place of synagogues as current flashpoints of conflict stops. Thank you, IZAK (talk) 23:51, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Request for Comment: An RfC that concerns this AfD has been opened. Please see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Judaism. Thank you, IZAK (talk) 23:51, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Weak delete: There is much coverage about its most recent rabbi, Tzvi Hersh Weinreb, who is indisputably notable; a previous rabbi, Benjamin Bak, may also have been, but I doubt it. Precious little about the synagogue/congregation beyond passing mentions and directory listings, etc, and mentions in local Jewish news sites [//www.google.com/webhp#q=site%3Abaltimorejewishlife.com+%22shomrei+emunah%22+-%22Shomrei+Emunah+Weekly+Bulletin%22]. הסרפד  (call me Hasirpad) 00:11, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
 * (aka "Hasirpad") if the rabbi/s associated with a synagogue/s are notable then the synagogue/s is/are automatically notable because rabbis and synagogues go together "like a horse and carriage" since a synagogue is usually made notable by its rabbi who puts it on the map so to speak, like what actors do for good movies or what writers do for good books, you cannot have one without the other at the end of the day they are inseparable, so not sure where you are creating this WP:NOR "dichotomy" from. Thanks,  IZAK (talk) 06:27, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
 * (aka "Hasirpad") note that the key word "Congregation" because this article (and similar ones) are about congregations, not just the buildings in which they worship. Also, on WP there are general consensuses relating to deletion that aren't formally codified in the deletion guidelines; for example, there is apparently some long-standing consensus that every single high school on the planet is notable, regardless of age, size of student body, availability of reliable secondary sources, etc. Along those lines, there appears to be a general consensus that significant age does impart at least some degree of notability to a synagogue, despite what the subjective importance essay says. IZAK (talk) 07:00, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Community input has been requested, see Village pump (miscellaneous). Thank you, IZAK (talk) 06:27, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete&mdash;Only seeing passing mentions in WP:RS. Lesser Cartographies (talk) 12:02, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
 * merge  with other synagogues in the city.  DGG ( talk ) 00:35, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep. Notable organization as per the sources in the article and as outlined above. -- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 16:57, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep. I added many reliable sources to prove notability. Yoninah (talk) 00:56, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica1000 07:11, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

 
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, SpinningSpark 13:16, 2 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Weak delete - Many of the references mention the synagogue, but do not appear to actually discuss the synagogue in any detail. Articles are about a band, West Bank conflict, US patriotism among Orthodox Judaism, Shteibelization, and former Rabbis. In several, I saw no reference to the subject without a paid subscription (which I don't have), but the titles did not suggest they focus on subjects other than the synagogue in question.  (Most references were inaccessible without a paid subscription.)  However, I love the photo shown on the Curry Architects page.--Rpclod (talk) 21:30, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Rpclod: Titles can be deceiving... The Christian Science Monitor article focuses on one church and one synagogue (Shomrei Emunah) (really!), and the other two articles are about Rabbi Tzvi Hersh Weinreb, spiritual leader of the synagogue. Yoninah (talk) 22:33, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
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