Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Connetquot Junior State of America


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Consensus among established editors is that the organization is not sufficiently notable to be included within Wikipedia. – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 02:19, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Connetquot Junior State of America

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Non-notable branch of a larger organization. otherlleft 03:28, 3 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete no evidence of significant coverage in third-party reliable sources; sub-organizations of individual high schools are generally non-notable. Andrea105 (talk) 03:38, 3 December 2009 (UTC)


 * DO NOT Delete There are both significant references and citations, the content is in no way offensive of vulgar, and the information is both pertinent and accurate. There is no valid reason to delete this page. In addition, it was stated that "Sub-organizations of individual high schools are generally non-notable." This is not true when organizations are larger than actual graduating classes throughout the country and are significant influences in their region. This is also not a sub-organization of a high school but of the Northeast Division of Junior State of America. This thereby provides adequate reasoning to keep the article. MUNKings (talk) 11:26, 2 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Do Not Delete From what I have read, this is both a benevolent and viable organization. It has an extremely large membership and is well cited. Like MUNKings stated, it is not a sub-organization of a high school but instead of a larger Junior State of America organization. Therefore, it has every right to an article. If this article has any inappropriate references or comments I would whole-heatedly agreed it should be deleted. However, it does not. It shows no sign of vandalism and falls within Wikipedia guidelines. Beethoven02 (talk) 11:40, 2 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete This article just describes one local chapter of a nationwide organization (which IS notable and has a Wikipedia page) at a particular high school (which also has a Wikipedia page). This local chapter could be described under either of those topics, but it does not merit its own page. If you allow this article to remain, you're asking to have a separate Wikipedia page for every individual Rotary club, every Kiwanis club, every Key club - we'd be overwhelmed. Sure there are a dozen references, but all of them are internal - there's no independent recognition, nothing to indicate this particular chapter is any more notable than any other. Kids, I appreciate your enthusiasm and I'm glad you belong to this worthy organization, but Wikipedia is an international encyclopedia, and this doesn't meet the significance criteria to be included. Read what it says at this link WP:notable and you'll understand --MelanieN (talk) 04:43, 3 December 2009 (UTC)MelanieN


 * Delete Article is referenced to a single webpage that falls under WP:SPS. Specific Chapter of larger nationwide organization does not meet notability per WP:GNG. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 04:49, 3 December 2009 (UTC)


 * DO NOT DELETE! This is becoming aggravating. A small minority of editors is constantly removing this page stating reasons such as "Sub-organizations of individual high schools are generally non-notable." THANK YOU MUNKings and Beethoven02 for pointing out the merits of this article. Like both of these editors stated, it is referenced, not offensive, informational, and fully within Wikipedia guidelines. Another statement I would like to point out: The NORTHEAST STATE of Junior State of America has its own page, yet it is a sub-organization of Junior State of America. Since they have been approved there is no merit to deleting this page. Not to mention, this article has nothing remotely to do with any of you. It's a great cause and a great organization. So instead of trying to delete it every chance you get, try leaving it alone and editing articles related to you. NONE of you even live on the east coast. Why are you even up at 3am editing Wikipedia Articles? AlxRnz02 (talk) 11:50, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Alex, cool it. Nobody is criticizing your organization or trying to put you down. We are just applying the standards of Wikipedia - yes, Wikipedia has standards. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not just a bulletin board where anybody can put up anything they want as long as it is not offensive. Take my advice and put this article on the Junior State of America page, or on your high school page, where it belongs. (And by the way it is only 9 PM where I live.) --MelanieN (talk) 05:09, 3 December 2009 (UTC)MelanieN


 * Delete. No third-party sources to establish notability.  While the national organization may be notable, the branch formed at a particular high school is not.  This is an encyclopedia -- not a directory of high school clubs.  If every club in every high school that has the technical know-how to create a web site is deemed notable, then we really are allowing Wikipedia to become the equivalent of a web page for anyone who wants to create a web site. Cbl62 (talk) 05:04, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Upon checking the edit history of the "DO NOT DELETE" votes above, it appears that there is a group trying to publish their club information (including list of officers) on as many pages as possible. I will assume good faith (?), but this could be viewed as vandalism.  See these diffs as example:,  , , , , , , , and about a dozen more just like these.Cbl62 (talk) 05:18, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
 * All three of these users have edit histories that show they are new users focused on this one article. Also, user AlxRnz02 is likely the same as the club's "Director of Finance/Treasurer: Alex Rienzie."  Above and beyond what's been noted, there appears to be a potential conflict of interest here. Cbl62 (talk) 05:26, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
 * The problem is expanding. There is now a fourth brand-new user who is reverting the removal of the diffs noted above.  See, e.g.,  and .  The "new" user is "Chsjsa" ... hmmm ... acronym for Connetquot High School Junior State of America.  Looks like we may have sockpuppetry here. Cbl62 (talk) 05:37, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
 * IMO the assumption of good faith is no longer justified. This is an attack on Wikipedia, possibly by a group of kids, more likely by a single kid using multiple usernames - someone who is making a game out of it and has no intention of complying with Wikipedia standards or collegiality. And it's getting ridiculous. Check out the revision history of Long Island; the stuff about this club has been removed by various users and re-added by sockpuppets EIGHT TIMES since Nov. 25. Sockpuppet usernames at that site include: AlxRnz02, Ssypher, Beethoven02, and Chsjsa. Also, MUNKings and AlxRnz02 have altered comments made by other editors on this AfD page, deleting material they didn't like. IMO administrator action is needed. --MelanieN (talk) 14:52, 3 December 2009 (UTC)MelanieN


 * Delete. This is just a local chapter of Junior State of America at a single high school. Per WP:ORG, student organizations that exist at only a single school are generally non-notable (by which I mean that no other schools have the Connetquot Junior State of America at their schools). --Metropolitan90 (talk) 05:06, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Question User AlxRnz02 said that editors are "constantly removing this page". Has it been AFD'ed before? --MelanieN (talk) 05:11, 3 December 2009 (UTC)Melanie
 * The article has not been to AFd before. I think what AlxRnz02 is talking about is that it was moved by Cluebot to a userspace draft and the cross namespace redirect was deleted.   GB fan  talk 14:38, 3 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Alert User MUNKings just deleted the AfD message from the article. I believe that is a serious no-no. --MelanieN (talk) 05:16, 3 December 2009 (UTC)MelanieN
 * I undid the removal of the AfD message. Cbl62 (talk) 05:32, 3 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Alert Worse yet, User MUNKings just deleted this entire discussion from the AFD discussion page. I just undid the deletion. I would say that user is begging to be blocked. --MelanieN (talk) 05:26, 3 December 2009 (UTC)MelanieN
 * Delete: It appears this is a local high school chapter of an organization that is very new and has received no independent notability.  Any relevant information should be included on the Connetquot High School article - which already covers it. I edit a lot of Long Island related articles, and can't think of any other high school club chapters like this having articles.--Neighborhoodpalmreader (talk) 14:29, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete A local chapter of an organization without any coverage in reliable sources. Does not meet minimum notability guidelines.   GB fan  talk 14:38, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 17:25, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. There are no reliable sources, and it fails the GNG for Wikipedia. Lithorien (talk) 18:28, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete: I can't find significant coverage for this chapter of an organization. Joe Chill (talk) 23:04, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment I've seen it spelled "Conneticut", but the correct spelling is Connecticut, of course. Mandsford (talk) 02:31, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
 * No, they mean "Connetquot" as in http://www.connetquothighschool.org/ -- this is the correct spelling of the school's name. I don't know if "Connetquot" is derived from similar roots as "Connecticut"; perhaps the two names came from the same or closely related Algonquian languages. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 03:16, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per above arguments such as Neighborhoodpalmreader. Not notabie. [Belinrahs|talktome⁄ ididit] 16:31, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment if the consensus reached is for deletion, recommend blocking page creation, as the page was moved into mainspace several times previously. --otherlleft 02:53, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete and WP:Salt, non notable and the vandalism by the editors is not going to help their cause. Mah favourite (talk) 09:32, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.