Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Constance Gadell-Newton


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Ohio gubernatorial election, 2018. Numerically, the !votes were close to an even split between delete, keep, and redirect. But this is superficial. The arguments for keeping, if they cited policy at all, were weak and did not sufficiently address the notability concern. The delete and keep !voters fundamentally agreed that the subject is not notable at this time, but per WP:POLOUTCOMES and WP:PRESERVE I have opted to redirect instead of deleting. –&#8239;Joe (talk) 15:34, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

Constance Gadell-Newton

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A political candidate that doesn't meet WP:NPOL or WP:GNG. Looks to be largely written by her or her staff. power~enwiki ( π, ν ) 05:00, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ohio-related deletion discussions. AllyD (talk) 10:19, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. AllyD (talk) 10:19, 14 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete: A WP:SPA article whose initial creation edit summary describes it as "approved copy from Connie and Kirk" but where WP:DISCLOSE has not been followed. The article content reads like an election release, detailing the candidate's career and platform, but with no indication that either meets the biographical notability criteria. One of the main sources in the article says that "she will strive to obtain 3 percent or more in the 2018 election" so it seems unlikely that candidature will be followed by office. But regardless of that, this fails WP:NPOL at present. AllyD (talk) 07:43, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete. As always, not yet elected candidates in future elections do not get Wikipedia articles just for being candidates — if you cannot demonstrate and reliably source that she already passed some other Wikipedia inclusion criterion for some other reason independent of her candidacy itself, then she has to win the election, not just run in it, to become notable as a politician. But this makes no credible or properly sourced indication of preexisting notability for other reasons — and it's written like a campaign brochure, not an encyclopedia article, but even a person who does have a clean NPOL pass still doesn't get to have that kind of article, and still doesn't get to have her campaign staff put the article here themselves in defiance of our conflict of interest rules. Bearcat (talk) 17:12, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete WP:NPOL applies, but WP:PROMO appears to also apply. Wikipedia is not LinkedIn. SportingFlyer  talk  00:13, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 09:09, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep The article was very wordy and promotional. I think it was copy-pasted from somewhere like a resume. I removed all the unsourced info and non-independent citations. I think there is enough significant discussion about her that she just barely passes WP:GNG. She has been a candidate for the Ohio House of Representatives District 18 and received about 7% of the vote in 2016, which she received some press for. Now she is the chosen candidate for a major party for the Governor of Ohio. She has already received significant coverage about that, and it's likely she will continue to get more coverage as it gets closer to the election. WP:POLITICIAN states "Just being an elected local official, or an unelected candidate for political office, does not guarantee notability, although such people can still be notable if they meet the primary notability criterion of 'significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject of the article'." I think that is the case here. Lonehexagon (talk) 02:06, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep - work done by Lonehexagon has greatly improved article, there are no longer any issues with the use of unreliable sources. I have added additional sources concerning her witnessing of a courtroom shooting, and believe she has had enough coverage to meet the notability guidelines. Million_Moments (talk) 16:14, 19 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Ohio gubernatorial election, 2018 - Per WP:POLOUTCOMES, running for an office isn't enough. It's also WP:TOOSOON. The other coverage is about her being a a witness to a shooting - which isn't enough to show notability. I added her to the Ohio article already. TimTempleton (talk)  (cont)  04:04, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I mistakenly added her to the wrong section. She was already there. My redirect vote stands. Ohio gubernatorial election, 2018 TimTempleton (talk) (cont)  14:40, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   12:08, 21 May 2018 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete a non-notable candidate for public office.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:11, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete: fails WP:NPOL. Not notable apart from coverage of candidacy. Elected officials get pages, but they have to actually be elected first. Marquardtika (talk) 02:47, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep I am concerned about the obvious WP:COI but that's a different issue than whether she's notable, which she is. Bangabandhu (talk) 07:41, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
 * The article has been greatly improved since it was nominated for deletion. If you look at the current article, I believe it's pretty neutral now. Lonehexagon (talk) 19:50, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I agree; my initial concerns about article quality have been resolved. The remaining question is whether WP:GNG is met, as nobody claims WP:NPOL is met here. it is certainly possible for political candidates to meet GNG without having been elected to office, but I still don't think the (largely WP:MILL) coverage of her campaign here is sufficient. power~enwiki ( π,  ν ) 22:41, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  MBisanz  talk 00:12, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete Candidate does not meet notability requirements for a page — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:A000:F601:EA00:89E:4C97:2F3D:54 (talk) 01:54, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Redirect per . She fails WP:POLITICIAN and the coverage in reliable sources is local and routine for candidates. Cullen<sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  05:32, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I read through the unofficial essay at WP:MILL (which some have stated may invalidate the coverage of this person which would otherwise satisfy WP:GNG) and I don't understand how any of that applies here. The examples of run-of-the-mill coverage includes residential addresses, commercial buildings, local restaurant reviews, local sports, local clubs, local festivals, side streets, a bank, small political rallies, and local lawyers providing commentary. Which of these applies to the coverage of this subject? Lonehexagon (talk) 17:45, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
 * See new iVote below:  Delete  Article was created last year as PROMO when she was running for Congress, now she's running for Governor and while that does not disqualify her from having an article, one of my personal tests with candidate articles is having done something significant before you decided to run for office. I am not seeing that.  Moreover, all coverage of this now perennial candidate for a FRINGE political party is run-of-the-MILL.E.M.Gregory (talk) 21:41, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep Wikipedia should not be in the business of keeping vital information from the public. Interest in the Ohio Green Party is at an all time high. In the May 8th, 2018 primary, despite being unopposed, Constance drew so many votes that the Green Party doubled its percentage of the over all vote compared to the last state-wide primary in 2016. The Greens may be small in Ohio, but they are growing while the other Parties are losing members. Other online references have found her worthy of inclusion. The truth is that unless the Constance Gadell-Newton receives at least 3% of the vote in the 2018 election, Ohio state law says the Green Party will be disbanded. The Green Party is the only recognized third Party in Ohio, and these calls to delete Constance's entry are thinly veiled, partisan attempts to keep the public from even knowing that they have a choice in this election beyond the two major parties. Wikipedia must not be used for partisan purposes, especially not favoring the large Parties while discriminating against the small. User:Joe DeMareJoe DeMare (talk) 03:31, 1 June 2018 (UTC)


 * User:Joe DeMare may have a COI. Has made only  a dozen edits, all are about the Ohio Green Party; sole item on his talk page is about uploading a photo of a Green Party candidate. His comment here is not policy based.E.M.Gregory (talk) 17:55, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
 * It actually appears he was the Green Party candidate. SportingFlyer  talk  18:34, 1 June 2018 (UTC) LOL. Thank you for that, User:SportingFlyer.E.M.Gregory (talk) 18:46, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
 * User:E.M.Gregory Is incorrect when he claims all my Wikipedia entries are about Ohio Green Party. I once spent a week trying to insert a reference to a study done by the European Union on the number of estimated premature deaths from Chernobyl into the Wikipedia page on the health effects of Chernobyl. At that time, the study calculated there had been 1 million premature deaths. Every time I inserted the reference, it was deleted a few hours later by pro-nuclear editors. I finally gave up, concluding that Wiki was too vulnerable to being manipulated by people with agendas. It is true that Ohio Green Party politics is my expertise. In fact, I just corrected Constance's entry to read that she is the "past" chair of the Ohio Green Party, not the current chair. I was elected to the Ohio State Committee in the May 8th primary. However, there is no COI in pointing out that this deletion is an act of political repression. Constance is the only minor party candidate on the Ohio ballot, and over the next months perhaps millions of people will turn to Wikipedia for information on her when deciding how to cast their vote. Entering "Constance G" in the search box already causes her name to appear. If her entry is deleted, Wikipedia will be used to further the partisan objectives of the two major parties in the U.S. which are pretending the Green Party doesn't exist. In order to appear on the primary ballot, Constance had to organize petitioners from all over the state of Ohio. That effort itself was noteworthy. However, if you look back at the full history of edits on this article, you will see some of her most noteworthy accomplishments were removed, and then her entry was marked for deletion for lack of noteworthy accomplishments. She has defended many political dissidents in Ohio. It's true that I am only a fringe member of the Wikipedia community. However, those of you deep in the community who are making this decision should step back a bit and consider the "of course" factor. That is, if you asked the average person on the street, "Should Wikipedia have an entry for the Green Party's candidate for Governor?" the answer would be "Of course!" This is not a simple application of an internal rule. This is a political act which will have direct effect on the outcome of a political race. A truly neutral source of information, while not promoting any candidate, would at least give basic information about all candidates and allow the reader to make their decision. Deleting this article would deny millions the information they need to make that decision. Keep Joe DeMareJoe DeMare (talk) 11:52, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Striking iVote. Only one iVote per customer. Joe, what name did you edit under previously?  I ask because your edit record is brief, and not about the European Union.E.M.Gregory (talk) 12:08, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you E.M. Gregory. I was unaware that I was actually voting twice. As far as I can remember, I used my actual name, Joe DeMare. However this was perhaps five or six years ago. I'll go back and check if I was using a pseudonym at that time. Joe DeMare (talk) 14:31, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

Constance Gadell-Newton is a legitimate political candidate and notable person in Ohio. Her recent video interview on the much acclaimed Tim Black Show attests to this. The interview can be seen online via Tim Black's channels on You Tube, Facebook, Periscope, and Twitch. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.228.20.170 (talk) 19:44, 1 June 2018 (UTC) — 134.228.20.170 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Redirect to Ohio gubernatorial election, 2018 - Per WP:POLOUTCOMES and User:timtempleton.E.M.Gregory (talk) 12:30, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep Clearly notable, with independent reliable secondary sources. Jethomas5 (talk) 18:47, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
 * As User:Bearcat explains very clearly above, we do not keep articles where the sole claim to notability is running for office. The sources covering this candidate as a candidate are WP:MILL.  The only things that makes a political candidate eligible to have a page are extraordinary coverage, or achieving of notability in some endeavor other than running unsuccessfully for office.  (Note that Harold Stassen was elected Governor before he became America's perpetual perennial candidate.E.M.Gregory (talk) 13:08, 4 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Redirect to Ohio gubernatorial election, 2018 as the usual outcome for a candidate for a statewide office, per WP:POLOUTCOMES. The election is notable, even if the candidates may not be. --Enos733 (talk) 16:44, 5 June 2018 (UTC)


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