Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Constructions of Subjectivity in Schubert's Music

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The result of the debate was No consensus, so keep --Allen3 talk 14:01, August 4, 2005 (UTC)

Constructions of Subjectivity in Schubert's Music
This is based on a highly speculative interpreatatuion of Schubert's alleged sexuality, and is not notable enough to be an article SqueakBox 14:35, July 24, 2005 (UTC)


 * Delete The essay is not notable enough to warrant its own entry. Merge, if necessary. This is surely no more notable than her "Beethoven and the rape controversy". --DNicholls 14:54, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep - This was at one point a part of WikiProject:Critical Theory, and it's not clear when or why it fell out. The fact that the interpretation is speculative isn't relevant, since the Wikipedia article is a summary of the speculative article.  What is important isn't the contents of the article (I know little about critical theory) but whether it is notable.  The New York Times describes this article as follows:  [W]ell-known musicologist, Susan McClary, winner of a MacArthur Foundation "genius" award, whose contentious 1991 article "Constructions of Subjectivity in Schubert's Music" became a manifesto for a number of queer theorists.  Sounds extremely notable to me. Nandesuka 15:22, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment It still seems that this should at least be merged with her main entry. As it stands now, her entry hardly mentions it, except in passing, suggesting that it isn't all that important, relatively speaking (to her own work).--DNicholls 15:29, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment (written before reading DNicholls). The title implies that the article is about the construction of subjectivity in Schubert's music, whereas actually it is about Susan McClary's theories of subjectivity in his music. Therefore the title is misleading, and if the article survuives its Vfd the title must be changed in order not to deliberately mislead the reader. I disagree about notability, but would be happy to see the article merged into Susan McClary as this is about her theories of Schubert but pretends to be about Schubert himself, SqueakBox 15:32, July 24, 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment. The very first sentence of the article is:  "Constructions of Subjectivity in Schubert's Music" was originally a presentation...".  Who, exactly, is this article going to mislead?  People from Mars?  Should I campaign to rename the article Shakespeare In Love because it is really about the movie, but its title will mislead readers into believing it's about the Bard's love life?  Your claim that the article "pretends to be about Schubert himself" is not supported by even the most cursory reading.  Nearly every paragraph indicates that it is paraphrasing from McClary's article ("She begins..." "She then compares..." "Before closing her essay..."  There's one paragraph that could probably use such a tag before it.  This should have been fixed with a simple edit.  A VfD is utterly and completely inappropriate here, and you should have known better. Nandesuka 15:44, 24 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Keep, I say, as I strive to keep my personal feelings out of it, finding as I do McClary to be one of the most shrill, offensive, and destructive voices in the world of contemporary musicology: but this essay is extremely notable in the field, indeed infamous.  It may not have risen to quite the level of the "Recapitulation of the first movement of the Beethoven Ninth Symphony is a metaphorical act of rape!" controversy, but it's up there.  At any rate, it's keep-worthy.  Antandrus  (talk) 15:36, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge with Franz Schubert, where a single short paragraph on McClary's research into his sexual orientation will suffice. --Angr/undefined 06:12, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge with Franz Schubert, as per User:Angr. JamesBurns 07:16, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
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