Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Contiki Tours (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. (non-admin closure) DavidLeighEllis (talk) 01:21, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

Contiki Tours
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Page is cited only to the subject's website. Has been tagged as needing better sources since 2009. — Jeremy  v^_^v  Bori! 01:08, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep. It's a close call, but here are several sources I found (a blog, but written by a notable travel expert, so probably reliable per WP:BLOGS),  (might be reliable, might not be),  (passing mention, but in a notable newspaper), and  (probably the best source; it's significant coverage and it's in another notable newspaper). --Jakob (talk) 01:35, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
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 * Speedy keep This is an extremely well-known company in Australia, and has received significant levels of coverage. The National Library of Australia's Trove service provides an example of this . Other refs: and  (notes the reputation of this company for hard-drinking tours), and  has some useful NZ references. Jéské, did you actually search for references on this company before nominating it for deletion? Nick-D (talk) 07:32, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I generally don't, because (a) I often do not care/know enough to, and (b ) I generally file AfDs in response to people on #wikipedia-en-help on IRC trying to use a bad article to justify their own bad article. If the sourcing for this page was better, I wouldn't have started the AfD in the first place. — Jeremy  v^_^v  Bori! 18:58, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
 * WP:BEFORE? No? WP:SK #2e then? Stalwart 111  22:51, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions. Nick-D (talk) 08:51, 5 April 2014 (UTC) Nick-D (talk) 08:51, 5 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Speedy keep - "going on Contiki" has become short-hand in Australia. The first question you ask when someone between 18 and 30 tells you they are going overseas. The company would have quite literally been the subject of dozens of feature stories in the travel sections of Australian weekend papers - I was reading one last Sunday. Stalwart 111  10:58, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment Could one of you that feels the subject is so notable, actually add a reference or two to the article? I am not willing to !vote "keep" on an article that has no independent sourcing at all. --MelanieN (talk) 23:13, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
 * MelanieN - I don't have time to move them in-line right now but I've added a newspaper article and two books (by the same guy). They were literally among the first couple of results under Google Books and Google News. I'll look for more later but those should be enough to prove WP:GNG can be met easily. Stalwart 111  07:22, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I moved the one reference that's actually about Contiki to an inline citation. That's a start. Forgive my ignorance, but I don't know what the other two "Bogan" articles have to do with Contiki; they don't seem to mention it. --MelanieN (talk) 15:58, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
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