Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Contribution from Tourism and Travel to GDP by Country


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The result was delete.  Sandstein  18:00, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

Contribution from Tourism and Travel to GDP by Country

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...not a suitable addition to the encyclopedia because it seems mostly to consist of a regurgitation of a data table produced elsewhere, with little or no context to show that secondary sources consider this a notable set of statistics. That one source is pretty clearly attached to the tourism industry, so its own interest in the subject would not count towards notability. Even if you had those secondary sources, you generally would not copy this entire table into the article, but simply pull a few important data points and give a reference to the rest (from my advice on User talk:Elise Furgurson)  — jmcgnh (talk) (contribs) 02:58, 26 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep clearly of encyclopedic interest, this deals with global numbers and than breaks out data by country. We have many articles on various economic activity. It is really interesting to compare countries because it says a lot about different economies. I'm not bothered that the data is publised by a tourism industry source. Most data is collected and published by organisations that are interested in the data. Legacypac (talk) 03:16, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Finance-related deletion discussions.  MT Train Talk 05:20, 26 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete. Neither "We have other such lists" nor "It's interesting" are good arguments in a deletion discussion. WP:LISTN is not the most helpful notability guideline, but it says: "One accepted reason why a list topic is considered notable is if it has been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources". That doesn't seem to be the case here. Rather, the data seems to be aggregated into such a list only by statistics websites that advertise having billions of such data sets. Beyond the notability issue, both our article and the statistics website that's the main source contain bizarre misinterpretations or errors of fact (different ones!), and there's a decided WP:SYN element to the list. Huon (talk) 21:56, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment Move to create new section in Tourism article then delete. Battleofalma (talk) 18:27, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

Well a simple Google search turns up:
 * https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/maps-and-graphics/Mapped-The-countries-that-rely-most-on-your-money/
 * https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Economy/International-tourism/Receipts/Current-US%24/Per-%24-GDP
 * World_Tourism_rankings another way of looking at tourism data
 * world bank report https://tcdata360.worldbank.org/indicators/tot.direct.gdp?country=BRA&indicator=24650&viz=line_chart&years=1995,2028
 * https://howmuch.net/articles/travel-tourism-economy-2017


 * https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/top-10-countries-most-reliant-on-tourism.html


 * httpss//www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2018/05/11/where-tourism-gives-the-biggest-economic-boost-infographic/amp/


 * http://interfacetourism.fr/en/2017/05/19/tourism-gdp-destinations/
 * https://unctad.org/en/Pages/ALDC/Africa/Edar2017KeyStatistics.aspx (UN site, discussing African countries GDP of tourism)
 * https://www.skift.com/2013/03/09/the-worlds-most-tourism-dependent-countries/amp/
 * https://seenews.com/news/tourism-contribution-to-montenegros-gdp-to-rise-9-in-2018-wttc-607716
 * http://www.intellinews.com/croatia-ranks-first-worldwide-in-terms-of-tourist-spending-to-gdp-ratio-143274/

And many more sources that discuss this topic in detail, globally, regionally, or nationally. Legacypac (talk) 19:06, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
 * http://www.statssa.gov.za/?p=11030
 * http://step.unwto.org/content/tourism-and-poverty-alleviation-1
 * https://www.cepal.org/en/pressreleases/tourism-revenues-represent-over-30-gdp-some-regions-countries
 * https://www.arabianbusiness.com/amp/article_listing/aben/travel-hospitality/394790-tourism-to-contribute-double-digits-to-bahrains-gdp-in-coming-years
 * Comment - Those include statistics websites with different and conflicting data, a blog, a press release and a bunch of otherwise problematic sources. There are a few in there that might actually be helpful, but I'll wait to see whether it's actually possible to improve the article itself (which still contains a blatant error of fact) before reconsidering my opinion. Summarizing the gist in the tourism article might be a good solution. Huon (talk) 21:53, 29 November 2018 (UTC)


 * If there is an error - fix it. You can dismiss one of the links as a press release, which it is, but it is a press release by a United Nations agency, not some commercial press release. Legacypac (talk) 21:59, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Given that I currently don't think the article should be kept, I'll wait with spending effort on it until after the discussion is over. Huon (talk) 23:33, 29 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment – I'd be a bit concerned about the conflation of tourism, per se, with other varieties of travel. The combination of the two certainly looks bigger than tourism alone, but most of the interest is in tourism itself. And one of the things that can often be found alongside interest in tourism is boosterism, hence my interest in keeping WP articles as close to neutral as possible.  — jmcgnh (talk)  (contribs) 23:10, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

Travel and tourism covers it. Who or what is being boosted here? Legacypac (talk) 23:44, 2 December 2018 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jovanmilic97 (talk) 11:47, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete The list itself has to be notable, not just the individual items within it, and there's no evidence that this is the case. FOARP (talk) 13:36, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:TNT; a very low-quality essay that is clearly not an encyclopedia article. We probably do need an article on Tourism by country, the existing articles on World Tourism rankings and Travel and Tourism Competitiveness Report each cover a single source on that topic. power~enwiki ( π,  ν ) 18:43, 4 December 2018 (UTC)


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