Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Convenience package (2nd nomination)


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The result was   delete. Stifle (talk) 11:48, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Convenience package
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This was kept before on the basis that it could be sourced, but it still hasn't been. It's a list of features that appear on packages that some car makers call "convenience package" (and others use different names, or bundle the same features in different packages, or they are standard, or whatever) and the sources are all primary. X appears in convenience package, source: manufacturer Y listing X in convenience package. That is WP:OR, pure and simple, and there has never been a single reliable independent secondary source to support this list of random things that random makers bundle in a random collection with this random name. Let me talk you through this by reference to the articles in the list claimed to be "typically" included:


 * Automatic central rear view mirror dimmer (may be part of a safety package) - standard in many cars, part of the Driver Support Pack in Volvo, not available at all in others, regardless of the availability of a "convenience pack".
 * Automatic headlight dimmer (may be part of a safety package) - or not, also in Driver Support on Volvo, something else on BMW and Mercedes.
 * Bluetooth cellphone link - standard in many models, Technology pack in Honda, Bluetec in Mercedes think.
 * Coming/Leaving Home Kit (light activation to illuminate the surrounding of a vehicle when passengers and/or the driver emerge, garage door opener, etc.) - SE spec for Volvo, Lux spec for some recent Honda, standard on most Mercedes.
 * Convenience turn signal (turn signal will automatically flash three times at a single tip of the turn signal lever.) - Standard on all Volvo and I think also current HOnda, standard on many if not all VAG models too.
 * Cruise control, either plain or adaptive (the vehicle will automatically adjust its velocity to preceding vehicles when the feature is enabled.)
 * Front seat heating - Winter pack (Volvo), standard when leather seats are specified (Honda), other packs for Mercedes, BMW and others.
 * Glove compartment light - I cannot recall seeing any car in the last ten years that did not have this as standard.
 * Ground light on lower edge of door - standard on most Volvos, standard on Range Rover last time I checked, standard on Jaguar, and either standard or included in trim levels or in other packs on other cars.
 * Map light - the last car I had without one of these was a 1970 Mini.
 * Moonroof/sunroof - separate option in some cars, standard in Lux spec on some Honda models, separate non-pack option on Volvo V70/VC70, and so on.
 * Navigation - Nav spec on older Volvos, standard n ow I think, certainly for the 70 and 90 models; SE or Business trim level on other cars, technology packs on Honda and some other models.
 * Passenger assist strap or handhold - standard on every Volvo and Honda I have ever owned, and on most other cars too these days
 * Power exterior mirrors - in other packs on Volvo, standard on higher trim levels, standard on all the Mercedes I have looked at, standard with certain trim levels and models on BMW.
 * Power seat adjustment - standard on driver seat with SE spec Volvo, standard on some Mercedes trim levels, standard on some BMW models and trim levels.
 * Rear vision camera - option (on-pack) for Volvo, standard on some trim levels for Jaguar and Land-Rover, other packs or separate option for BMW last time I checked.
 * Remote start - comes with keyless drive and Volvo On Call for Volvo, other packs for other models.
 * Umbrella holder in door pillar. - the only car I have ever seen that has this is the Royce, and I have no idea if it's standard or not.
 * Vanity mirror light - every car I have owned or driven for the last twenty years has had this as standard.
 * Vanity mirror on sun visor - this was standard on my late sister's 1978 Mini.

Now, it's quite possible that some of these are included in a pack called convenience by some makers. As it stands, however, it is an indiscriminate collection of information, something Wikipedia is not. There is no source for most items, and those that are sourced, there is no evidence that this is a general name for the pack, no evidence that these items are usually included in such a pack, and no evidence that other sources consider this a separate subject. The most you could say is that this is a list of features that are optional on some cars (and standard or unavailable on others), some of whihc may be offered in various packs or trim levels by some manufacturers. That is, pretty much, all you can say about this list of items. Guy (Help!) 17:14, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
 * Delete Corporate PR-speak; no clear definition of exactly what this term means or what it includes. So poorly defined that although this article treats it as an automotive term, it appears to be used in other industries as well; in the previous AfD somebody cited a reference to "convenience packaging" in the brewing industry. I would put this in the same category as when a cold-calling salesperson announces "this is a courtesy call..." --MelanieN (talk) 23:31, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Missvain (talk) 05:56, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete. Current article relies entirely on original synthesis of primary sources as explained by the nominator, and would have to be rewritten if a secondary source could be found. Same goes for Safety package, Handling package, Sports package, etc. Q VVERTYVS (hm?) 10:21, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Also, the previous rationale for keeping this article was that convenience packages had been the topic of secondary sources in other industries than the automotive. That's a mistake, because this article is unmistakably about cars only so an article using those sources would be a rewrite. Q VVERTYVS (hm?) 10:24, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
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