Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cooperstown Junior/Senior High School (2nd nomination)


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The result was keep. BD2412 T 21:40, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Cooperstown Junior/Senior High School
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Lacks notability - the only serious mention of the school in Wikipedia is the April Fools' request. While Cooperstown the place is notable (per its hosting of the Baseball Hall of Fame), I argue that the school itself is not. DePlume (talk) 00:54, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Example: For 1 Jan. '21 to today, there are only 2 days where the page is viewed more than 10 times: on January 27 and April 1. Including these two days, there are only 5 days in 2021 that sees the page be viewed 5 times or more. Sincerely, the nominator, --DePlume (talk) 01:02, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. North America1000 05:40, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of New York-related deletion discussions. North America1000 05:40, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Education-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 08:33, 5 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep - page views are not a valid criteria for deletion. There are presently 3 sources which meets our general notability guidelines. I don't see any grounds for deletion. ‡ Єl Cid of Valencia  talk  12:34, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes to the page views part, but as WP:GNG states that "There is no fixed number of sources required since sources vary in quality and depth of coverage," I do not think that one could say the CCS page could stay merely by having 3 sources. And you added one of them right before this vote, meaning that it would have had only 2 sources, failing your own test. --DePlume (talk) 14:54, 5 April 2021 (UTC) (Added to on 18:47, 5 April 2021 (UTC))
 * Comment - the current sourcing includes two simple listings, and a primary source, which doesn't meet either WP:GNG or WP:ORGDEPTH. Searches turned up some mentions in local newspapers, as you would expect of any high school in the U.S. In fact, there are far fewer than one would expect.  You have to use the search term, "CCS" + Cooperstown, as they are known more by the acronym. Using that, they get far more hits, but all the usual local coverage you'd expect. Not sure it passes WP:CORPDEPTH. If more refs from non-local sources are added, let me know.  Onel 5969  TT me 14:15, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment: At one point high schools were considered to be inherently notable. Has this changed? Fiddle   Faddle  16:48, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
 * There are people that uses that argument or its exact opposite (see WP:High Schools), so I argue it should not be factored in. Rather, I argue WP:Cruft. DePlume (talk) 18:48, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete Not every single public high school is notable. At the rate we're going, articles of people that are "notable" for dying in WW2 and nothing else will be commonplace on this site soon. Lettlerhello • contribs 19:32, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep., there is a historical note at WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES: At one time, secondary schools were assumed notable unless sources could not be found to prove existence, but following a, secondary schools are not presumed to be notable simply because they exist, and are still subject to WP:N and WP:ORG. Now the relevant policy explanation is Notability (organizations and companies): All universities, colleges and schools, including high schools, middle schools, primary (elementary) schools, and schools that only provide a support to mainstream education must satisfy either this guideline (WP:ORG) or the general notability guideline, or both. For-profit educational organizations and institutions are considered commercial organizations and must satisfy those criteria. Note the notability requirement for public schools is WP:GNG or WP:ORG. My newspapers.com search today brought up 106 hits. Even assuming 95% of those hits are sports events, passing mentions of meetings held at the school, or of wedding notices mentioning alums of the school, I have so far found at least 4 articles I will be using to expand the article a bit. Stay tuned. Grand&#39;mere Eugene (talk) 21:00, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much, User:Grand&, for your addition to the article concerned. Would you please consider adding some more? If so, I could potentially withdraw this nomination due to its increase in sources. Patiently waiting, DePlume (talk) 06:28, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep: On the basis of 's research, and also explanation of the changes in school notability, I consider this school to be notable. Even prior to their promised expansion of the article the notability expressed is sufficient to keep the article Fiddle   Faddle  21:05, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep. Easily enough sources for notability as with any American high school. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:10, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep. I've seen high school pages with less info than this one. JayPlaysStuff (talk) 23:42, 9 April 2021 (UTC)


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