Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Corey Smith (artist)


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The result was   no consensus. henrik • talk  08:06, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Corey Smith (artist)

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Does not meet notability guidelines for WP:ARTIST UnQuébécois (talk) 18:32, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

The subject is notable with multiple citations from reliable sources. Please review the subject and help Wikipedia expand the new media artists WikiProject Visual arts Alice0000 (talk) 19:08, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

The questions of notability of an artist:


 * Is the person regarded as an important figure or is widely cited by peers or successors?
 * Is the person known for originating a significant new concept, theory or technique?
 * Has the person created, or played a major role in co-creating, a significant or well-known work, or collective body of work, that has been the subject of an independent book or feature-length film, or of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews?
 * Has the person's work either (a) become a significant monument, (b) been a substantial part of a significant exhibition, (c) won significant critical attention, or (d) been represented within the permanent collections of several notable galleries or museums?

I do not see any of these as being answered yes.--UnQuébécois (talk) 19:20, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

The questions of notability of an artist:

Yes the subject is highly regarded in the snowboarding/art scene, I wouldn't be wasting my time making this wiki (and soon other visual artists pages) if I didn't respect him and his contributions to our community. The subject's art creation technique is very unique, especially in the type of hand-made display. The subject has created a new concept in hand-built wooden snowboards contributing to the free ride movement. There have been countless print and online articles/interviews of the subject concerning his entire body of work, individual series, photographic work, film/video contributions, and more recently his hand-made snowboards/art. The subject's work has received international acclaim and notoriety. The subject has permanent residency at several public and privately held galleries.
 * Is the person regarded as an important figure or is widely cited by peers or successors?
 * Is the person known for originating a significant new concept, theory or technique?
 * Has the person created, or played a major role in co-creating, a significant or well-known work, or collective body of work, that has been the subject of an independent book or feature-length film, or of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews?
 * Has the person's work either (a) become a significant monument, (b) been a substantial part of a significant exhibition, (c) won significant critical attention, or (d) been represented within the permanent collections of several notable galleries or museums?

Does this help answer your questions...there is countless references that are being accumulated and added simultaneously. Any contributions you might have will be greatly appreciated. Alice0000 (talk) 20:21, 21 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Please provide SOURCES.--UnQuébécois (talk) 20:37, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Please take time and review the current third-party sources, non of them are self published... "Articles should be based on reliable, third-party, published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy" a majority of these online sources are taken from their own mass globally 'printed' articles Alice0000 (talk) 20:45, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I see no reliable third party sources that support any notability of this artist. Third-party_sources. Are you connected in any way to this artist?--UnQuébécois (talk) 20:51, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry but I think you have little to no knowledge of this subject. Please present me with a source that will satisfy your requirements on this topic The subject is notable with multiple citations from reliable sources including peers. Please review the subject and help Wikipedia expand the new media artists thank you WikiProject Visual arts Alice0000 (talk) 21:01, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

I would like to quote your page "1> "NO! You can/must not do that." This type of interaction fosters an environment of Confrontation between the parties involved, especially in situations where people of dissimular backgrounds are involved. Example: What is wrong or forbidden in one culture might be completely acceptable in another, it is not anyone's place to judge another's background.

2> "It might be better if you do it this way." Following this way of interacting with people nourishes a much more cooperative and friendly surrounding. Example: While one might do or say something that is not viewed as correct by others, the impact might not be known to the "offender" and should be educated as to the issue, allowing the "offender" to proactively be aware."

Please do not judge and help expand this topic you are not currently satisfied with - WikiProject Visual arts Alice0000 (talk) 21:04, 21 February 2012 (UTC)


 * I am not able to find any reliable third party sources, I have tried to. I do not have requirements on this subject, Wikipedia has policies outlining what meets notability criteria. I have assumed good faith, but this looks more and more like self promotion. Please see Civility before things get heated up.--UnQuébécois (talk) 21:19, 21 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete - a confusing article, its main claim is that Smith is a notable artist (hence the long list of exhibitions) but there are no independent, reliable sources to support it. If independent and reliable sources are added I'll happily change my 'vote'. Unfortunately Smith has a common surname so its not easy to identify good sources online. Note that the galleries are not independent because they have a vested interest in promoting Smith and his exhibitions. Sionk (talk) 22:36, 21 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete as non-notable per WP:ARTIST. Most (if not all) of the sources cited are either promotional pieces or blogs, nothing that counts as a reliable source.  No claims of fulfilling any of the notability criteria listed for artists, and not really even anything that meets the general notability guideline. Writ Keeper &#9863;&#9812; 23:34, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Please advise about improving this topic, do not be deconstructive or negative in your opinions.- thank you


 * Comment: the contents of inline citations will only display with a reflist or reflist-talk template on the page. I am posting one so that others can more easily see the sources provided by Alice0000. Chris the Paleontologist  (talk • contribs) 02:34, 22 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete - Lack of reliable sources proving subject meets any of WP:ARTIST criteria 1-4. ŞůṜīΣĻ ¹98¹ Speak 12:16, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete - None of the refs convince me of notability heaving had to read each one twice in apparently different sources. Agree with nom - does not meet WP:ARTIST  Velella  Velella Talk 20:20, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete, none of the sources appear to satisfy WP:RS and I find nothing to show how WP:GNG is met. -- Kinu  t/c 20:29, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep WP:ARTIST is notorious difficult to implement. References as provided by user:Alice0000 demonstrate coverage and notability. The nominator seems to have very little understanding of the concept of notability. Barney the barney barney (talk) 20:52, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Visual arts-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 02:38, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 02:38, 23 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete. This does not satisfy WP:ARTIST] nor WP:GNG. The sources provided are either blogs, press releases or images of flyers. There are a couple of online publications that may go beyond that but they do not provide anything beyond the trivial. Basically there's one interview that can be used to establish notability and it just doesn't do it at this time. This is a young artist and this may change in the future and the article can be rewritten then when more substantial sources are available.  freshacconci  talk talk  03:46, 23 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep I agree with Barney the barney barney This article covers WP:ATH and WP:ARTIST. I thought this would make it easier because it has more coverage and notability. Here is another recent interview/article i found by Vans . In the snowboarding + art community this is considered highly notable content. I want to add correlating articles, but I am starting to feel like this is a judgement from a society that is losing touch, and enjoys discouraging others from contributing. Alice0000 (talk) 07:54, 23 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Please don't feel persecuted. It isn't society loosing touch nor do the great majority of Wikipedia editor want to be discouraging BUT all articles must conform to the notability guidelines that the population of Wikipedia editors have agreed by consensus. If you think that the guidelines are wrong then please join the debate at the appropriate location. From my perspective, the guidelines as they affect Artists are less stringent than those affecting many other individuals such as Scientists or Engineers many of whom live and die in Wikipedian obscurity despite contributing enormously to society and the well being of society. Nobody is picking on you or Corey Smith but notability can be tough to attain.  Velella  Velella Talk 13:25, 23 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment WP:ATH does not apply as his career as an athlete not appear to be notable. Where he approaches notability would be as a designer and businessperson and the only useful source currently available is the interview in Snowboarder magazine. All other sources provided are brief mentions, product promotions or press release-type coverage. Any claim to notability should rest on the business side of things and if you could find real sources, independent, non-trivial sources that go beyond a brief mention or which sound basically like an ad, that would go a long way towards saving the article. But as it stands, there is very little here and he simply does not have any verifiable notability as an artist or athlete at this time.  freshacconci  talk talk  12:15, 23 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep - This seems to be a silly argument. The artist seems to have a lot of shows and there are a lot of articles to show his work is being seen by many. Also, he has a long history as a professional snow boarder.184.91.185.100 (talk) 01:17, 27 February 2012 (UTC) — 184.91.185.100 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Note: This debate has been included in the Article Rescue Squadron's list of content for rescue consideration. Bilby (talk) 04:51, 29 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep I Google news archive search for his name and the word "gallery" to see if they mentioned his art and got 90 results, some of which were about him. He is interviewed about one exhibit at Transworld Snowboarding  which has other articles about him as well.  Mention of him at  with the translation found .  It says he was once a professional snowboarder, so that's something.  Mentions his art.  So he was a professional in his sport, so passes WP:ATHLETE and some of the museums he has been featured at are surely notable so he passes WP:ARTIST.   D r e a m Focus  16:46, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, B  music  ian  07:47, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

 
 * Delete The sources dug up by Dream Focus seem to be of dubious reliability, ditto the We Are Looking Sideways source. The only sources dug up otherwise look like routine, tangential sources — one-off interviews, parenthetical mentions, etc. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 08:42, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Dubious reliability? Transworld Snowboarding is the most widely-subscribed snowboard magazine in the world with over 1.3 million copies sold annually.  If you doubt if something is reliable source, take a few seconds to check the article for it.  They give him coverage at various times.   D r e a m Focus  01:02, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Being interviewed about one's own exhibit is publicity. There needs to be multiple independent, aka non-biased non-self promoting, sources to show notability. --UnQuébécois (talk) 21:44, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Every time someone does an interview, its almost always to publicize something they wish to promote. The multiple interviews done in Transworld Snowboarding count towards notability.   D r e a m Focus  10:23, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
 * From WP:GNG " Multiple publications from the same author or organization are usually regarded as a single source for the purposes of establishing notability. " Also: ""Independent of the subject": excludes works produced by those affiliated with the subject or its creator. For example, self-publicity, advertising, self-published material by the subject, the subject's website, autobiographies, and press releases are not considered independent."--UnQuébécois (talk) 03:39, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 01:30, 12 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Weak Keep ~ on the condition the article is drastically improved (requires a lot more sources; wikifying etc.). If the article has not been updated, and article is renominated, withdrawal of my support will be unfortunate, but appropriate. -- MST  ☆  R   (Chat Me!) 05:56, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete: Per Hammer  Purpleback pack  89  ≈≈≈≈  16:47, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep - It seems folks definitely should have looked at  Notability (sports) as well. It appears to me that there is enough between the two areas for Corey Smith (artist) to pass the notability criteria. I will spend some time Saturday 3/24 HST reviewing sources in the article & from Google searching, then get the references into citation format. I think some of the confusion about notability may have arisen from the relative newness of snowboarding as a sport. Peaceray (talk) 08:16, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I have converted a lot of references to citation templates & along the way re-verified the most of the sources & usually swapped in better sources as I found them. I have been tweaking the categories & stubs to get more granular, added WikiProject Sports & WikiProject Skiing and Snowboarding to the talk page. Re-ordered some sections, e.g., put Interviews down under External links. Next I will tackle expanding the career sections. Peaceray (talk) 02:58, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment - In reviewing the sources, Corey Smith is obviously an important contributer to Snowboarding culture, and seems to be an active member of the contemporary Los Angeles art scene, contributing both art & work as a curator. He contributes design to snowboard companies & has established his own company to produce one-of-a-kind snowboards, some functional, some solely as art. He is significant enough that Vans is exhibiting his stuff in Austria. I do not particularly like his art, but then I can think of a number of notable artists whose work I dislike as well. I think that his notability within his niche (skateboarding, LA & Northwest Pacific art scenes) is pretty well established. His article may not be up to snuff yet, but then there are a lot of notables with substandard articles. Peaceray (talk) 02:58, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep The quite numerous interviews in my opinion show that he is "regarded as an important figure" in the skateboarding/art scene, thus fulfilling WP:ARTIST. Pax:Vobiscum (talk) 16:09, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete - Sources that I consider WP:RS quality don't establish notability. Shadowjams (talk) 02:34, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete The sources do not establish notability; so fails WP:GNG and WP:ARTIST. Mt  king  (edits)  03:33, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
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