Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Corinne Narassiguin


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Consensus seems to be that although Ms. Narassiguin falls short of the WP:POLITICIAN guideline, the coverage that she has received is sufficient to establish notability anyway. Sjakkalle (Check!)  19:22, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Corinne Narassiguin

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This unelected candidate for "national, state or provincial legislature" fails notability, both per WP:GNG and per WP:POLITICIAN, as most sources are either not independant, or primary sources, including a good many mentions of her as a socialist candidate for the coming elections... as can be found for most other candidates for that matter.

Moreover, the Assembly of French Citizens Abroad (of which she is the Legal Vice-President) is nowhere near having the powers of "a national, state or provincial legislature", being an advisory body, part elected by peers, part nominated by the French government. --Azurfrog (talk) 20:14, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of France-related deletion discussions. — Frankie (talk) 13:10, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
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 * 1: Azurfrogis an admin in the French Wikipedia that is letting is personal emotions in the topic taint his judgement.


 * 2: He keep referring to this person as Unelected Political office which is a lie since this body is headed by the French Minister of Foreign Affairs. Is the San Francisco Board of Supervisor less important than the US house of representative ? Their size differ and their members are listed there as well.


 * 3: The article is being written and it does take time and work. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Theochino (talk • contribs) 13:18, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Calling me "a liar" whose jugment is "tainted by personal emotions" is hardly appropriate, is it? Could we avoid straying from what is required by WP:GNG and WP:POLITICIAN, as any other consideration is irrelevant here? --Azurfrog (talk) 15:29, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * "Is the San Francisco Board of Supervisor less important than the US house of representative ?" Yes, it definitely is! That is not to say that the San Francisco Board of Supervisors is not important at all or not important to be covered in Wikipedia, but the national legislature in any given country is sure to be more important than the governing body of its 13th-largest city. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 06:42, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Comment. I don't get the points made on WP:GNG and WP:POLITICIAN :
 * WP:GNG implies significant and specific coverage, which seems to be the case in some of the sources used in the article, as well as some others not used at this point, such as this, this or that.
 * WP:POLITICIAN states negatively "just being ... an unelected candidate for political office, does not guarantee notability, although such people can still be notable if they meet [GNG]", which certainly does not imply that being an unelected candidate rules out notability. &mdash;&thinsp;Racconish&thinsp;Tk 16:12, 9 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Note: This article has significantly changed since its AfD nomination. &mdash;&thinsp;Racconish&thinsp;Tk 20:01, 9 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the Article Rescue Squadron's list of content for rescue consideration. &mdash;&thinsp;Racconish&thinsp;Tk 20:21, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, what she gets is what every candidate of one of the major parties running for French legislative election also gets, namely some local temporary coverage, rather than national and lasting coverage. --Azurfrog (talk) 00:37, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Spanning over three years though. &mdash;&thinsp;Racconish&thinsp;Tk 21:00, 11 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete. Quite simply, all of her claims of notability is in connection with being a politician, and she does fail WP:POLITICIAN, that's not in debate. The part of WP:GNG that I feel she fails is "in-depth" coverage. So delete, but no prejudice to recreation if she gets sufficient coverage to pass GNG, or gets elected per POLITICIAN. Addendum: she's interesting, and I like the article, so thanks, I learned something today, even if it wasn't quite enough for WP. - Jorgath (talk) (contribs) 19:30, 10 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep. I am a Frenchman in Boston and Corinne Narassiguin *is* a politician: she was elected in 2009 to represent French people who live on the East Coast of the United States (consular districts of Boston, New York, Washington, Atlanta and Miami) at the French Expatriates Assembly. She is the Vice-President of one of the commissions in the Assembly. She is very well known amongst French citizens in the United States. Furthermore, I disagree that she fails WP:POLITICIAN since she has been covered in independent French, Canadian and American media, including appearances on major national TV programs such as Charlie Rose (PBS) in the US or CBC in Canada. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sylvainbruni (talk • contribs) 16:23, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Ambox warning pn.svg|20px|alt=|link=]] —I have !voted "keep" below but I must note that unless there is some staggeringly unlikely concidence here the above user appears to be the campaign director for Corinne Narassiguin. --❨Ṩtruthious ℬandersnatch❩ 05:30, 15 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep. Corinne Narassiguin is not only well known in the USA, as an elected politician (2009), representing French expatriates from the East Coast of the USA at the AFE (French Abroad Assembly), she's also a leading representative between the French community in Canada, and especially in Quebec, as a candidate for the first election of a French Abroad member of the French Parlement, representing the Socialist Party, from wich France's President, François Hollande, is issued. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Charromero (talk • contribs) 00:25, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:05, 15 May 2012 (UTC)




 * Keep - She appears to easily fulfill WP:BASIC with dozens of Google News hits related to political activity going back to 2008 and was recently a guest on Charlie Rose as an authority on the French Presidential election. Depth of coverage is just fine: the interview and several of the articles are exclusively about her.  Election to the AFE seems entirely valid to me for notability; a couple of the members of the elected Executive Council of my state of New Hampshire are documented on Wikipedia just at the state/provincial level for a polity of little more than a million citizens whereas the AFE is a national political body for France. --❨Ṩtruthious ℬandersnatch❩ 05:13, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep - The topic appears to pass WP:BASIC. (Multiple sources/articles can be used to establish topic notability.) Northamerica1000(talk) 11:06, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Weak delete - the problem here is a lack of context, and thus a see a question of encyclopedic value. Note that this is an encyclopedia that deals with readers at many knowledge levels, and that's true here.  Basically, what I see is a lot of French knowledgeable people going, "how do you not know her?" and a lot of others going "How is she notable?"  The context issue is this: Socialism in the US is very fringe in politics, and Americans abroad don't have representation at home specifically for them.  Interestingly enough, this is also the first time that the North American area is even doing this representative thing.  So, I'm not so sure it's not inheriting notability from the other overseas constituencies.  The sources all seem to be the same sort of article over and over again as well, so there's a depth of coverage issue here as well: if all the articles say the same thing, it's really not representative of depth of coverage.  Moreover, in the article, Narassiguin appears to be some sort of regional vice-president who didn't do anything for two years (her duties weren't explained), and her current platform wasn't explained.  So in short, while she may be notable per GNG, there's no explanation as to why or how, and "if you knew, you'd know" is not an acceptable response to that question.  There is also an issue of CRYSTAL  in that there are 12 candidates for the position she's running for (10 of whom don't have articles either), and the election won't be held for another month.  So she doesn't hold any major office as of yet, and won't meet POLITICIAN as an "also-ran."  If the preceding issues are addressed, then I could see keeping this, but it has no encyclopedic value as it stands now. MSJapan (talk) 13:06, 15 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Are you judging whether or not the article should be deleted based upon the article being well-written or well-sourced? Is that what you mean by talking about "encyclopedic value"?  If so, that is not a valid reason for deletion under Wikipedia policy.  The deletion nominator here is making an argument based upon Wikipedia's concept of notability, which is an aspect of the article's topic unrelated to the Wikipedia article itself.  To judge the merits of the argument you are expected to investigate the topic outside of Wikipedia, which is why there are links to Google News, Books, Scholar, a JSTOR search, etc. above.  It also doesn't matter "why or how" a topic is notable, just that it has received significant coverage in reliable sources.


 * Furthermore, I think that there is still continuing confusion about the facts here. Ms. Narassiguin has already been elected to the AFE - twice, actually, because the first time an opposing candidate sued to get the results of the entire election invalidated, then in the subsequent election she was successfully elected anyways.  If you look at this 2011 article she is described as a conseillère of the body.  Several other conseillers have their own articles, on French Wikipedia.


 * Now she is running as a candidate for a higher position within the body, one of the "Sénateurs représentant les Français établis hors de France" who are also members of the upper chamber of the French parliament. This is somewhat analogous to the way that in the UK the chief executive Prime Minister is elected from among the legislative MPs. --❨Ṩtruthious ℬandersnatch❩ 18:37, 15 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep. Notability does not appear to be temporary. &mdash;&thinsp;Racconish&thinsp;Tk 07:03, 18 May 2012 (UTC)


 * A poll was just published today and to the question : Do you know this name ? 81% of the people said "yes" whereas Frederic Lefebvre got only 56% : http://frenchmorning.com/ny/2012/05/22/sondage-exclusif-corinne-narassiguin-ps-en-tete-du-premier-tour — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.244.12.164 (talk) 19:38, 22 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep Some of the delete !voters seem to misunderstand policy. First, the ultimate criteria for inclusion is WP:GNG. If a subject passes the General Notability Guidelines, it is irrelevant whether the subject also passes the various special notability guidelines. Absent a WP:BLP1E case, not relevant here, no further inquiry is required as to notability. The article is well source, to a large variety of reliable sources that are providing substantive coverage of the subject, thus WP:GNG is passed and the subject IS notable. The only argument for deletion is that the article needs improvement, but that is not a valid reason for deletion either. Monty  845  05:29, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
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