Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cornell gorge suicides


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. (non-admin closure) — Amkgp  💬  15:15, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Cornell gorge suicides

 * – ( View AfD View log )

Not notable enough to warrant an entire article (violates WP:EVENT, WP:SENSATIONAL). This is trivial and non-encyclopedic information. If Cornell "does not have an above-average suicide rate", then what is the justification for the article, except to promote sensationalism? Kzirkel (talk) 01:30, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Behavioural science-related deletion discussions. Kzirkel (talk) 01:30, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of New York-related deletion discussions. Kzirkel (talk) 01:30, 17 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep. Covered substantially in reliable sources such as USA Today (cited in article) and other sources not cited.  Including also the New York Times and the Syracuse Post-Standard, in first page of results of this google news search.  AFD nominator notes apparent contradiction or irony in article, the _assertion_ (not necessarily a true fact) that Cornell does not have an above-average suicide rate, but I frankly don't really believe that.  That actually sounds like a kind of assertion that Cornell public relations / marketing department would try to make.  Deletion nominator could tag the article and/or raise their conundrum at the Talk page.  No indication that searching for sources before nominating for deletion was done (is the relevant AFD complaint wp:BEFORE or what?).  Simply, Cornell is in a dramatic setting with multiple bridges over gorges, and perhaps cliffs overlooking gorges, where suicides can and have occurred.  It is or was akin to a university with tall buildings where students, including some stressed-out ones, had inappropriate, tragic free access to rooftops to jump from.  It is akin to the Golden Gate Bridge in San Francisco, well-known for being a place where suicides have happened, see Suicides at the Golden Gate Bridge. This would be in any list of "top 10 places for suicides in the United States" or in the northeast, I would bet, or at least in top areas associated with universities in the U.S.  Hmm, such lists exist, such as Wikipedia's List of suicide sites (which does not mention it).  There are multiple other grim lists, e.g. also "10 Most Infamous Suicide Spots" (a blog?) which lists Golden Gate Bridge at #2 of 10 places world-wide.  Anyhow, it is a thing.  There exists general coverage of suicides there, and/or the scary atmosphere, and detailed news coverage of development of nets, etc. to reduce suicides at Cornell, so "Keep".  Also note this single article serves instead of multiple shorter articles about individual suicides or individual years there. --Doncram (talk) 02:26, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep - a subject that has occured on three occasions, and has been covered for decades. Foxnpichu (talk) 20:20, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per Doncram. Elms super 06:00, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep - well-documented, if creepy, phenomenon. Bearian (talk) 21:54, 19 November 2020 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.