Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Corny Ostermann


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. The only deletion argument besides the nomination is citing BLP for a subject that has been dead since the war.  A  Train talk 10:52, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

Corny Ostermann

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Unable to find any source for anything written about subject other than extremely brief discography references; no notability; no sources provided by article creator at time of creation or after seven months of waiting for something to justify the article's retention Sirlanz 13:07, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Some refs. can be found on Google Books. Though I'm not sure, if they are sufficient to pass notability. --Elton-Rodrigues (talk) 13:54, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 11:02, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 11:02, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep DNB entry should be enaugh https://portal.dnb.de/opac.htm?method=simpleSearch&cqlMode=true&query=nid%3D1061343367 - The above referenced books have a common theme of someone having worked with Corny Osterman with confers (real world) notability to these musicians due to fact that they have worked with someone more important. Agathoclea (talk) 19:21, 20 May 2018 (UTC)
 * see WP:ANYBIO #3 Agathoclea (talk) 09:10, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Hung verdict

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — FR+ 04:14, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete. Unsourced WP:BLP which makes no claim of notability. Internet searches don't find anything significant, though admittedly that may not be definitive as he was declared dead 69 years ago. The DNB link above doesn't work for me, but in any case a musician working with a more famous musician doesn't confer notability. Neiltonks (talk) 13:02, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
 * You misunderstood. Notability was confered the other way (real world notability - not wiki notability) . The available book material also uses him as a prime example for the music style in the period. DNB lists his death in 1945 which would match with being declared dead later. So definetly no BLP. Agathoclea (talk) 11:59, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep. Article about Ostermann in a German encyclopedia of jazz musicians by Jürgen Wölfer (now in article). The Discogs entry (now in article) is documenting 7 shellacs under his name; at least 4 titles are re-edited. --Engelbaet (talk) 14:00, 24 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Weak keep: The article is unlikely to grow beyond a few sentences unless some researcher discovers and publishes more biographical details. The content, even with additions, is so sparse that merger into Jazz_in_Germany could be an option. However while Discogs falls under WP:NOTRSMUSIC, the fact that the subject's music, created under conditions of official disapproval and mentioned specifically in that context, has been re-issued many years after his death and that he has entries at various biographical indices suggests enough for WP:BASIC notability. AllyD (talk) 10:08, 25 May 2018 (UTC)


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