Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Corruption of science and education in Iran


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete; while merge might be an option, just about all of the referenced and therefore mergeable information covers scandals involving officials which, in some cases, don't even involve the Iranian education system. Ironholds (talk) 11:58, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Corruption of science and education in Iran

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It's basically an essay and has insurmountable NPOV and OR issues. A reasonable, balanced article could be created at "Science in Iran" or "Education in Iran" (etc.) or the criticisms of Iran could be merged into the main Iran article. Nominated for PROD but the article creator removed the tag. —Tom Morris (talk) 00:15, 1 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Iran-related deletion discussions.  ——Tom Morris (talk) 00:25, 1 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete The title makes it perfectly clear that this article has no potential to be anything other than an NPOV issue as long as it exists. Dennis Brown (talk) 01:42, 1 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Merge The information provided is to some extend reliable, however the title is problematic, I think it should be merged with Higher education in Iran. The information is well sourced. I would not like to see it deleted for one.  Rmzadeh  ►  02:38, 1 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete as a POV catastrophe. The Islamic regime of Iran, relying on the oil revenue, is viewed as one of the most corrupted states in the world. Carrite (talk) 15:06, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
 * That comment about their corruption is sourced to a major newspaper, so its fine. Many reliable sources quote the organization that determines the corruption level of countries.  There is an article called Corruption in Iran.   D r e a m Focus  19:20, 1 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Merge to Higher education in Iran. That's where there should be mention of what is going on there.  I don't see anything about science in the article.  If information is found on them outlawing scientific research, banning scientific books, rounding up scholars and researchers, book burnings, or whatnot, then an article can be made for that.   D r e a m Focus  19:20, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Education-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 13:55, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Science-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 13:55, 2 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Support the merge to Higher education in Iran, as was already accomplished. However, I would suggest moving the new subsection "Fraud, Ideology and Politics in higher education" into its own section down to "Iran's Brain Drain problem", and turn the latter into a subsection of the former. A hatnote on the issue should also be added to Corruption in Iran. Nageh (talk) 08:30, 3 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks all for the comments. Although I agree this entry is slightly shorter than a full wikipedia article, I don't think it must be totally removed. I found most of the comments fair and contructive so decided to merge this to Higher education in Iran as a subsection of "Iran's Brain Drain problem" with the new name "Fraud, Ideology and Politics in higher education". Further suggestions and comments are appreciated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aramian21 (talk • contribs) 23:29, 4 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment: it's not just length, and it's not that you haven't added sources. The problem is that the article as written plainly has an axe to grind against the current Iranian regime.  The article fails to demonstrate its "thesis", that the current Iranian regime's corruption has led to academic corruption.  You've cited articles saying that Iran is corrupt, you've cited examples of academic corruption in Iran, but you have not demonstrated that a body of neutral, third-party scholars have identified a clear relationship between the two, and an overall trend of academic corruption in Iran, not just a series of cases.  If you're an academic and want to research that, that's fine, but Wikipedia is not a place to publish Original Research. MatthewVanitas (talk) 23:54, 4 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete As others have stated, this article is full of POV and always will be per the title. I oppose merging as the article contains nothing of value that is not in other existing articles. Passionless   -Talk  18:55, 12 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Merge with education in Iran.--RaptorHunter (talk) 00:21, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
 * The above deletion debate is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the talk page of either this nomination or the nominated user). No further edits should be made to this page.