Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cosnino, Arizona (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep the content. Without a strong case being made for deletion, the merger discussion can move to the Talk page. Star  Mississippi  22:37, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Cosnino, Arizona
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Having reexamined this, I continue to dispute that this was a specific settlement. The estates mentioned are a subdivision a mile to the north; the school reference is fairly passing and doesn't indicate where the school actually was. There certainly isn't a settlement there now; from all I can tell it is a vague locale centered around the eponymous rail siding. Mangoe (talk) 00:37, 9 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep The City of Flagstaff government consistently identifies Cosnino as a community outside of Flagstaff city but within the Greater Flagstaff area e.g. "Areas outside of the City of Flagstaff city limit boundaries: Doney Park, Cosnino, Kachina Village, Mountainaire, Williams, Winslow, Leupp, Munds Park, Sedona, Prescott" and "the area within the FMPO boundaries but outside of City limits, including the outlying communities of Kachina Village, Mountainaire, Winona, Cosnino, Doney Park, Timberline, Fort Valley, and Bellemont." . I've wikilinked these to demonstrate every single one has an article as either a CDP or unincorporated community. If you think the City of Flagstaff government doesn't officially recognize Cosnino as a populated place or settlement there are a number of PDF reports on their website mentioning it that will need to be refuted (for example "Traffic calming on Cosnino Road, within the community of Cosnino...Residents of Cosnino identified speeding as a significant concern": ). Note that the coords in the article point to the rail siding, whereas the settlement is currently centered further north. Simply not seeing buildings at the coords in the article is not a reason to delete, the coords should be updated based on official City of Flagstaff maps etc. As to the school reference being "passing" that's irrelevant, as it's included to demonstrate that a settlement existed to the extent that a dedicated school district was deemed necessary (it's disposal is mentioned here). There was also a community club . There are clearly no grounds for deletion here. At the very least a merge might be proposed per WP:GEOLAND.Pontificalibus  12:41, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep as per WP:GEOLAND. Onel 5969  TT me 22:09, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Merge to Coconino County, Arizona. I'm not impressed by the City of Flagstaff coverage that purportedly confers legal recognition; we normally expect a formal designation such as incorporation, not just a mention in a city document. Cities often discuss subdivisions, small communities, etc that they provide services to even though they're not officially recognized and often wouldn't meet our notability criteria.
 * As for the school, do we know what area it covered? In the early 20th century it was common for small schools to serve pupils spread out across a rural area; the actual location of the school wouldn't necessarily have been a population center large enough to support a school in and of itself.
 * Given the lack of official recognition and dearth of content, I think it makes sense to cover it within the county article until it is expanded, if that ever happens. –dlthewave ☎ 03:31, 10 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep. I am finding plenty of content about Cosnino on NewspaperArchive, including hundreds of articles. There are so many articles that it's been hard to sift though. I've gone ahead and expanded the article, including info on the Cosnino school and the telegraph office. I also found 1960 population data in World Book Encyclopedia. More work will need to be done, but given that Cosnino had a regular newspaper column in the Coconino Sun in the 1920s, and is also discussed in other state papers (Prescott, Phoenix, Tucson) from the 1880s to the 1980s, this is a notable community.  Firsfron of Ronchester  20:28, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Nobody is disputing that this is referred to a lot as a locale. However, as such, WP:GEOLAND doesn't give you much to go by, and WP:GNG has typically been a bar too high for locales to clear; it's why, for instance, city neighborhoods do not normally get articles unless they have a reputation from outside the area. I don't see that here. Locals know about it as an area, but nobody else does. And I know this is an unpopular view, but by and large, assembling a settlement article out of newspaper references is original research. For example, there is a "Pindell School Road" around here, and presumably there was a Pindell School, but there wasn't any Pindell as a town-like thing. Mangoe (talk) 23:32, 14 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. Firsfron of Ronchester  23:21, 14 November 2022 (UTC)


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