Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/County Road 2002 (Florida)


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The result was   delete. -- Cirt (talk) 12:39, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

County Road 2002 (Florida)

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Non-notable county road in Florida. A Google search gives no related hits that aren't from Wikipedia. The only possible claim to notability is as a "scenic route", but we'd need a source to substantiate that.  Imzadi  1979   →  04:57, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - Roads are generally not notable, and there is no significant discussion to suggest that this road is an exception. - DustFormsWords (talk) 05:09, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm voting delete, but not all roads are not notable. See WP:USRD/NT for an example of those that are. --Rschen7754 07:55, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete A non-notable county road. → ♠ Gƒoley ↔Four ♣ ← 05:29, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete per above. [Charlie Echo Tango]  05:55, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Redirect to List of county roads in Volusia County, Florida, despite the fact that a smaller part of the road also exists in Flagler County, Florida. As far as the notion of a source to substantiate the claim of being a scenic route, a quick scan on Google Maps Street View can answer that question, and would've certainly answer that question regarding the unjustly deleted County Road 42 (Florida). DanTD (talk) 06:22, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment - I'd oppose a redirect, even if the list (currently nominated for deletion) is kept, on the basis that "County Road 2002 (Florida)" is not a likely search term, and in the event that it's searched it should produce the list anyway. And no, using Google Street View would NOT substantiate it as a scenic route, as that would be original research. You need to find a reliable independent source that says that, not work it out for yourself.  - DustFormsWords (talk) 06:29, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I'd have to strongly disagree with DustFormsWords on using Google Street View as a source for determining a scenic highway, although I certainly wouldn't rely on it as a primary source. In the case of the Bi-County CR 42, considering the proximity between Florida State Road 40 and Florida State Road 44, and runs along the southern border of Ocala National Forest, it would be foolish to deny scenic highway status for that road. DanTD (talk) 07:01, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Google SV can't support the word "scenic". That word is a value judgement and an opinion. You need a source that directly says that. SV can be used to say that the roadway passes "through trees". That's an objective description.  Imzadi  1979   →  07:09, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. You can start with this. As for Volusia-Flagler CR 2002, I didn't originally think of keeping it, but now I may have to reconsider. DanTD (talk) 03:29, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete not-notable. Admrboltz (talk) 06:54, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
 * If a passable article can be created for the scenic highway, I support merging into that article. --Admrboltz (talk) 18:52, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete not notable. --Rschen7754 07:55, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete as a single, non-notable road. No sources. DARTH SIDIOUS 2 (Contact) 14:08, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Florida-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 17:41, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 17:42, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Redirect to List of county roads in Flagler County, Florida and List of county roads in Volusia County, Florida and turn this into a dab page.  Dough 48  72  18:46, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Redirect to List of county roads in Volusia County, Florida  V C  21:38, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep - Save the Loop! - CR 2002 (AKA Highbridge Road and Walter Boardman Road) is the northern leg of the Ormond Scenic Loop and Trail, a Florida Scenic Highway, designated on July 9, 2007.
 * Florida Dept. of Transportation: Ormond Scenic Loop and Trail
 * www.savetheloop.org
 * www.ormondscenicloopandtrail.com
 * Florida Scenic Highways
 * Gamweb (talk) 02:09, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
 * So really you're arguing that we should have an article on the Ormond Scenic Loop and Trail, not this individual road, ne? Uncle G (talk) 06:29, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I won't speak for Gamweb, but I'm willing to consider merging this into a chapter on the Ormond Scenic Loop and Trail. Come to think of it, every road that's part of the loop should have it's own chapter. DanTD (talk) 12:05, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I disagree that being part of a state scenic byway makes a road notable. The byway itself might be notable enough for an article, but its components aren't unless they have another claim to fame. –  T M F 20:44, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah, I misread that comment. The use of "chapter" instead of "section" is probably what threw me off. –  T M F 20:47, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
 * On the subject of numbered roads versus named roads, see what I wrote about the San Bernardino Mountain Crest Highway and the Rim of the World Drive at Requests for comment/Naming conventions for United States federal buildings. Ironically, we don't have the road by either its official name or its unofficial nickname by which it is commonly known. Uncle G (talk) 18:48, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
 * New Comment - Thanks to the links tha Gamweb showed us, I've just started doing some work on an article for the Ormond Scenic Loop and Trail, and I also discovered one road that was part of it, but was redirected to the List of county roads in Volusia County, Florida -- County Road 4011 (Volusia County, Florida). Do you see what happens when you redirect instead of delete, people? You get history. And that history can be useful DanTD (talk) 18:41, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Dan, things can be un-deleted. Just as an example, the banner template, Canada Roads WikiProject was deleted thee years ago this month, undeleted earlier this month and back in service again. You can always request undeletion through WP:DRV if needed.  Imzadi  1979   →  20:41, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I've heard of people un-deleting articles, but I never knew how they do it. The only way I can think of doing it is searching on Google and going to cached versions of the articles, and saving them as a persnal file, which isn't 100% reliable. Requesting an undeletetion is something I'm not so sure I can get away with. DanTD (talk) 21:27, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
 * See Viewing and restoring deleted pages. Its part of the Deletion Review process, and is an administrative function. --Admrboltz (talk) 04:03, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
 * However, DanTD is right in that if one merges and redirects, rather than deletes, fishing things out of the history doesn't require funnelling through administrators, and can be done by ordinary editors at their leisure. Uncle G (talk) 18:48, 23 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Question - Is there an infobox exclusively for named scenic routes, or should I just use the existing infoboxes? DanTD (talk) 02:23, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
 * See the instructions on infobox road. It covers exactly how to deal with named/unnumbered highways.  Imzadi  1979   →  03:20, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.