Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Courtney Barnas (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Miss Arizona USA.  MBisanz  talk 01:25, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

Courtney Barnas
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Barnas' only action that received any note was being Miss Arizona USA, and this is not enough to make a person notable. The previous discussion in 2008 was based on the assumption that such people are "regionally notable." However an actual perusal of sources shows that they are lucky to get an article in their hometown newspaper. It will be papers covering their specific sub-section of a metro area for example. This is not coverage of a level to suggest the person is notable. The one event coverage also makes these articles unworkable. John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:57, 10 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete as per nominator.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 21:39, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete although I am willing to stand firmly behind any Miss USA state titleholder with even the slightest positive affirmation in the public domain, I am unable to find any such reason for this subject.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 17:56, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Arizona-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 14:53, 13 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete -- non notable state-level winner. Coverage is local and trivial. It's interesting that the previous AfD closed as Keep, because of "precedent". What a difference 8 years make. :-) K.e.coffman (talk) 05:08, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Illinois-related deletion discussions. North America1000 16:58, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. North America1000 16:58, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Redirect to Miss Arizona USA as a valid search term, and the subject is mentioned there. North America1000 16:59, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep for now. Discussion about notability guidelines has already started on the Talk page for the Beauty Pageant project.  No harm will be done by closing this nomination as "keep" and letting the project-level discussion take its course.  NewYorkActuary (talk) 04:13, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  MBisanz  talk 00:58, 18 August 2016 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spirit of Eagle (talk) 05:31, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment: The discussion on pageant winners' notability is taking place here: RFC on creation of consensus standard, with participants variously advocating that (1) state level winners are not presumed notable, (2) state-level winners are not presumed non-notable; or (3) a special guideline is unnecessary, and that GNG should be used. There's an overlap between the these three positions. There aren't really voices for "state-level winners are always presumed notable" so I don't think the outcome of the discussion, if any, would have an impact on this AfD, which is trying to establish whether the subject meets GNG. Thus it may not make sense to suspend the AfD process for this nomination.
 * Further, a deletion is preferred as a BLP for a non-notable person is potential invasion of privacy and may be subject to vandalism. K.e.coffman (talk) 04:19, 26 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Beauty Pageants-related deletion discussions. PageantUpdater (talk) 00:31, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Beauty Pageants-related deletion discussions. PageantUpdater (talk) 00:31, 31 August 2016 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.