Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Courtney Johnston


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The result was keep. RL0919 (talk) 02:19, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

Courtney Johnston

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Non notable museum professional failing WP:BIO. Celestina007 (talk) 02:16, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
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 * Delete I saw an interview in a book called Museums and Digital Culture: New Perspectives and Research, but that's not the best kind of source. Other than that the coverage seems to be announcements of someone doing their job, or announcements of how they have been selected to do a job. Nothing particularly notable here, yet.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 02:49, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Weak keep, director of the national museum.- gadfium 03:32, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep She has been the director of the Dowse Art Museum and has just been made the chief executive of the national museum of New Zealand Te Papa Tongarewa. Noahe123 (talk) 03:45, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Notability is WP:NOTINHERITED from those positions. There has to be SIGCOV in independent sources. There are hundreds of major museum directors that nobody writes about and who are not notable.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 05:42, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 05:02, 13 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep - The subject is a radio correspondent for the national Radio New Zealand, an executive director of a national museum, and she has won awards. Notability has been shown via reliable sources. Easily passes WP:BIO and WP:GNG. -AuthorAuthor (talk) 05:09, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
 * thank you for the work on the article, but the recently added sources are all trivial coverage:
 * "The Earl D. Bader Award for Exceptional Creative Writing in the Augustine and Culture Seminar was awarded to Courtney Johnston ’22 CON for her essay “At First a Rushing Wind,” written for Timothy Horner, PhD."
 * Arts commentator Courtney Johnston to judge Rotorua Museum Art Awards is basically an event announcement, saying she will judge something. A basic PR blurb.


 * Comment The ref I used was as a source for other information in the article, not that she was judging something, which, as you no doubt noticed, I did not include in the article. -AuthorAuthor (talk) 06:02, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
 * yes, I see that. It's still trivial coverage.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 06:08, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I removed the source "Te Papa founding chief executive Dame Cheryll Sotheran dies after long illness" as it did not mention Courtney Johnson at all, nor did it support the claim it was used for in the article ("and she became the first woman to hold the position since its founding leader, the late Dame Cheryll Sotheran, was appointed in 1992.").
 * Additionally, the two awards now in the article are a "Winston Churchill Trust Scholarship" and a PHD program writing award. The first, the "Winston Churchill Shcholarship" was actually a travel grant. The trust gives out fellowships as well; their site does not list her as a fellow. These are not a big deal. The second was a school awards. Every school gives out hundreds or thousands of these a year. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 05:37, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I've take out the writing award, as it was given to someone who is clearly a different Courtney Johnson on a different continent.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 05:56, 13 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep. Head of a country's national museum should be enough, and we have in-depth coverage in major national news sources to back it up. The earlier coverage for Dowse and RNZ avoids any issues with WP:BIO1E. —David Eppstein (talk) 05:55, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep, being appointed as ceo of NZ's national museum shows Johnston is "is regarded as an important figure" so meets WP:CREATIVE. Coolabahapple (talk) 07:29, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
 * WP:CREATIVE is for artists, not museum directors. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 15:30, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
 * so not for people associated with the arts .... okay then WP:ANYBIO "widely recognised contribution" in the field of the arts, reflected by her appointment to one of the top jobs in NZ arts. Coolabahapple (talk) 22:26, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
 * If you mean "The person has made a widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record in a specific field", then no. I believe keep !voters are confusing having a job with notability. There is nothing to say about her based on the coverage other than she had a couple of jobs. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 12:10, 14 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep Leading the national museum should be enough and the various sources go into enough depth.  Schwede 66  17:23, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep Without her being named chief executive of Te Papa, I would have been a bit skeptical. But now she definitely seems sufficiently notable.  (Besides, I generally tend to be an 'inclusionist'.) Ross Finlayson (talk) 03:53, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Weak keep Director of a national museum. Was the director of the Dowse Art Museum and now the chief executive of the national museum of New Zealand Te Papa Tongarewa Lightburst (talk) 04:43, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:CREATIVE, which contrary to the enthusiastic User:ThatMontrealIP's "is for artists, not museum directors" is in fact for "Authors, editors, journalists, filmmakers, photographers, artists, architects, and other creative professionals" - in to which I'd be inclined to group museum directors. Obvs, ymmv, but at least try not to mislead by very selective omissions. --Tagishsimon (talk) 22:30, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep as argued by the keep !votes above. XOR&#39;easter (talk) 23:06, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep - There is enough to pass notability criteria for WP:BIO and WP:GNG, possibly WP:CREATIVE - altho as pointed out above, curators and museum directors are not specifically listed, but one could interpret "creative professionals" would fit the latter. Netherzone (talk) 16:27, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep per many of the above. Clearly notable. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:33, 19 December 2019 (UTC)


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