Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Covenant Reformed Presbyterian Church (denomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. No discussion in 3 relists. (non-admin closure) – AssumeGoodWraith  (talk &#124; contribs) 03:25, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Covenant Reformed Presbyterian Church (denomination)

 * – ( View AfD View log | edits since nomination)

Lacks notability. I can find more about the "Covenant Reformed Presbyterian Church" which formed in Canada in the 1970s or about individual churches with this name, than about this small splinter group. Most sources are primary or not reliable (conservapedia!). I presume this is the same denomination as the one here, Articles for deletion/Covenant Reformed Presbyterian Church, but a new discussion after all this time won't hurt. Fram (talk) 15:27, 31 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. Fram (talk) 15:27, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Religion-related deletion discussions. Fram (talk) 15:27, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of South America-related deletion discussions. Fram (talk) 15:27, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. Fram (talk) 15:27, 31 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Good afternoon Fran!Indeed, the denomination is small in number of churches. However, there are several independent sources that cite much of the information in the article, so it is not based solely on primary sources. Ex:, and . The fact that the denomination has only 4 churches does not disqualify it, since several other denominations with practically the same number of churches (or less) have articles on Wikipedia. Ex: Westminster Presbyterian Church in the United States, Reformed Congregations in North America, Covenanting Association of Reformed and Presbyterian Churches, Federation of Reformed Churches, American Presbyterian Church (founded 1979). The denomination is mentioned, with links, in several wikipedia articles, such as the List of Presbyterian and Reformed denominations in North America and Presbyterianism in the United States, in order to search for information about it. It has a history, a doctrine, and even relationships with other denominations. Also, the number of Presbyterian denominations in the US is limited. This is practically the only denomination in the country for which there is still no article on Wikipedia. In addition to everything that has already been mentioned, the same article exists on the Portuguese-language Wikipedia, with the same sources and there it was not deleted. Therefore, I suggest keeping the article.--Daniel Silva Mendanha (talk) 16:05, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Both sources are very short mentions though, just indicating that a church with 50 members in Paramaribo is part of the Covenant. That's not really sufficient to speak of "significant" coverage about the denomination. Fram (talk) 16:29, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
 * There are two other sources that mention information about the denomination's doctrine: and . The latter also mentions the church number and the history of the denomination, where it came from (PCA). Therefore, independent sources explain: history, doctrine and number of churches. Little information depends on primary sources.--Daniel Silva Mendanha (talk) 20:20, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
 * That second source is one line in a spreadsheet of denominations, from a source where I can't judge its reluiability at all. Doesn't add notability. But at least it's better than the first source, where all you have is a mention in footnote 39, "see also" followed by a list of denominations where this one is included. That's really scraping the bottom of the barrel... Fram (talk) 08:21, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Fram, the first source mentioned above talks about groups within US Presbyterianism. She explains that denominations like PCA, OPC are conservative and mentions CRPC in footnotes as a denomination similar to them. The second source is actually a table and is for comparing Reformed denominations in North America. However, I found one more source that covers a lot of information about the denomination: . This paper covers the 2004 CRPC General Assembly. It mentions its attempt to merge with other denominations such as RPC-HP, ARPC and CARPC on page 15. In addition, it mentions the departure of PCA pastors to CRPC on previous pages. That is, it is not just a few independent sources, but several, that mention the denomination. Each covers a bit of information about the denomination.--Daniel Silva Mendanha (talk) 13:35, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 22:22, 7 February 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Coffee  //  have a ☕️ //  beans  // 02:45, 15 February 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 04:25, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I note that User:Daniel Silva Mendanha created this page today, using a different name to the previously deleted page, after I had proposed the deletion of the Westminster Presbyterian Church in the United States, which he states in his new CRPC article to have originated as a split from Covenant Reformed Presbyterian Church (denomination). Deletion of WPCUS was previously proposed in 2006, but in the meantime the denomination and its website have disappeared, and WPCUS appears reduced to Brian Schwertley, one of the ministers of the previously existing denomination, preaching privately (no advertised public church service location, but sermons online).  User:Daniel Silva Mendanha edited the page to show it as past and to remove its website links, and then removed my proposal for deletion.  --PeterR2 (talk) 23:11, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Good night Peter! Yes, I edited Westminster Presbyterian Church in the United States, because I like to keep the information. I updated her status as extinct, as it was already in the article in Portuguese. I removed the deletion request because the warning itself said that if the page was enhanced with sources, it could be done. If I've done something wrong, I can undo it. Regards,--Daniel Silva Mendanha (talk) 00:09, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.