Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cowley Club (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. (non-administrative closure) – RyanCross  ( talk ) 03:11, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Cowley Club
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Non-notable social centre. Harry Cowley who the centre is named after might be notable but that would be covered in an article about him. Cameron Scott (talk) 16:05, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Strong keep There is no question as to the notability of this topic, as it meets WP:GNG with ease, being the exclusive focus of significant coverage in a reliable source: "Where the protesters drink", The Times. the skomorokh  16:39, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
 * big deal - my local pub gets a mention in the where to eat section for my region in the times - doesn't make it notable, I consider that mention trivial --Cameron Scott (talk) 16:46, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
 * How can you consider a multi-paragraph article devoted exclusively to the topic "trivial"? "Trivial" would be a passing mention. This article gives the reader a concise overview of the topic. the skomorokh  17:08, 18 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been listed as an Anarchism task force deletion discussion.
 * Note: This debate has been listed as an Anarchism task force deletion discussion.


 * Delete Notability is not established by local-interest paper stories or the centre's own website. Those are the only non-trivial mentions I can find (other than myspace and such of course).  Theseeker4 (talk) 16:51, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment Aside from The Times, The Argus and Vegetarian Guide to Brighton profiles, the two academic papers on social centres, and the Maximum Rock'n'Roll article, the book Urban Nightscapes: Youth Cultures, Pleasure Spaces and Corporate Power (Critical Geographies) contains a two-page study on the centre (p.228-229) in case anyone doubts that WP:GNG has been met. the skomorokh  17:25, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep Notability established per guidelines. ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:22, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep It would seem that notability has been established. I ask that editors consider searching for sources before rushing to AfD. Skomorokh has managed to find and integrate several reputable sources in a span of a single hour, and I was able to confirm the source for the Cowley Bus in less than five minutes by simply checking the Internet Archive search engine. --Cast (talk) 19:45, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment. Someone should take a look at the original AFD, which appears to have been messed up ("The result was RESULT"). Could someone fix that. No opinion on the article itself at present. 23skidoo (talk) 20:37, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Done. It was clearly "keep" and the result was notified correctly on the talk page. -- Bduke   (Discussion)  01:05, 19 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions.   -- Raven1977 (talk) 20:49, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment -- This is a well written article, but I have grave doubts as to the notability of the subject. However I am not local to the area, and thus do not feel qualified to vote.  Peterkingiron (talk) 00:29, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep Per Skomorokh & Cast. Zazaban (talk) 01:05, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Strong keep: there are various reliable references from national and local sources, as mentioned in the article and on its talk page. The multiple functions of the place, and particularly the ease of access by the public to these things (with its location on a shopping street being crucial to this), make it a notable institution. Further, people questioning its notability might do well to read the article about Brighton itself, and consider the political situation of the whole town. The Cowley Club and its membership play a role in explaining that story to the Wikipedia readership. (But a merge is totally inappropriate since the Brighton article is already long.) – Kieran T  (' talk ') 14:33, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep I don't think this needed to come to AfD, but at least now thanks to Skomorokh the article has more references. Mujinga (talk) 16:43, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep Per sourcing added to address notability concerns. -- Banj e  b oi   00:52, 21 November 2008 (UTC)


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