Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Crabcore


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. per WP:SNOW. Discounting all the votes by new users, who are clearly being canvassed from somewhere, there is very clearly no chance of this being closed as keep if it were left open for the full seven days J.delanoy gabs adds  02:28, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Crabcore

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Non-notable musical style. Fails WP:NOTE. No GHits or GNEWS associated with style. Article states only one band "is currently playing crabcore." ttonyb1 (talk) 02:22, 20 June 2009 (UTC)


 * KEEP - I am one course away from a minor in Music from Northeastern University, and enjoy a wide array of musical styles AND experimental sounds. I have an interest in dance and motion and am intrigued by this web of artistic interpetations.  I say keep this entry, as this albeit small section of musical folklore exists in the Boston area, and as noted, other locales from around the world in one form or another.  Please do not judge a subject based on your personal tastes people. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.233.71.163 (talk • contribs) 05:05, 24 June 2009 (UTC)


 * PRESERVE The article needs to stay if it is going to grow, deleting it doesnt help anyone learn.
 * PRESERVE - Crabcore is not only the genre ever but it encorporates all the genres there are. keep this page for continuation of knowledge
 * PRESERVE - Crabcore is being used on music ezines and is currently accepted 118.208.25.132 (talk) 15:49, 23 June 2009 (UTC) — 118.208.25.132 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Comment - The article statement that only one band "is currently playing crabcore" was removed by author after the AfD started. ttonyb1 (talk) 22:58, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete no sources, no ghits, no news - not notable. - 2 ... says you, says me 03:04, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Redirect and merge to Screamo; appears to exist per gsearch, but no evidence of WP:N. JJL (talk) 03:10, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Not worthy of merging, far too few mentions. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 03:29, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete i don't think this could meet WP:N... it seems like a joke that someone just made up? 70.71.22.45 (talk) 04:16, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions.  -- TexasAndroid (talk) 15:09, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Haha. BJAODN it. Wait, do we still have BJAODN?  Grue   20:27, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. I almost want to say WP:NFT, but I'll go with the above. Niteshift36 (talk) 23:02, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom, too bad we don't have BJAODN anymore. -- Eastlaw  talk ⁄ contribs 08:17, 21 June 2009 (UTC)PRE
 * PRESERVE this article. Music blogs and fansites are now beginning to use the term as shorthand for the music several bands are playing. Just google it to see. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.135.82.147 (talk • contribs) 2009-06-21 20:15:00
 * crabcore is the future. no delete — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.130.238.97 (talk • contribs) 2009-06-21 22:00:39
 * PRESERVE Music communities including several very large private trackers are discussing this and it should be given time to receive mainstream acceptance — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.122.142.211 (talk • contribs) 2009-06-21 22:27:02
 * Delete This is just the next internet meme. 85.113.245.37 (talk) 22:42, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * And we don't cover those? :p ¦ Reisio (talk) 21:54, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Ever been to 4chan's music board? They have stuff like this every day. Rickrolling is one of the biggest memes on the net. 85.113.245.37 (talk) 21:56, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Preserve: A hard rock band from the Balkans called Shibo has released an EP titled 'Crabcore'. Shibo themselves play crabcore style shows. This fact alone should vindicate the article. Unsurprisingly for a band playing such unfriendly music from a country other than the USA or the UK, they are still very underground. But please google them, where you will find videos articles etc. or go here to their last.fm page: http://www.last.fm/music/shibo — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.135.82.147 (talk • contribs) 2009-06-21 23:26:55
 * Comment - Removed duplicate "vote" from single IP Address. ttonyb1 (talk) 23:35, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * PRESERVE I turned to wikipedia when I saw it mentioned in the comments on a youtube-video. Without this article I would still not have a clue about crabcore. --EzelMannen (talk) 23:48, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment there are enough ghits to justify a rd, IMO--what's the best target? JJL (talk) 23:50, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment - Added Not a ballot because of entry at http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/save-crabcore.html. ttonyb1 (talk) 00:15, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. Could not find any reliable sources to establish notability. Rnb (talk) 02:28, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete as hoax or overactive imagination. Hairhorn (talk) 05:58, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete as pretty obvious taking-of-piss. Since we don't have BJAODN though, would anyone object to me userfying it for posterity, or are there potential GFDL problems to come if I do? TheLetterM (talk) 06:53, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Userfication by renaming preserves edit history. Userfication by copying and pasting does not.  The latter was part of the problem with BJAODN. Uncle G (talk) 13:47, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete I think this article is really just a load of bullshit someone made up for fun. Please pardon my French. :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.193.196.80 (talk) 16:02, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
 * PRESERVE Recent phenomenon in music, little cataloguing outside of underground fanzines. Good luck finding a better compilation of info on the genre anywhere online. Article has some flaws though. 216.221.76.184 (talk) 20:08, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
 * PRESERVE Despite certain flaws in the article its description of this new 'musical fad' is fairly accurate--71.248.157.71 (talk) 04:00, 23 June 2009 (UTC) — 71.248.157.71 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * PRESERVE Despite clear flaws in the article, a quick Google search justifies the preservation of this article. At the very least, there's nothing to lose by such, but a possible loss of information if deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Juliandelphiki42 (talk • contribs) 2009-06-23 06:39:15
 * PRESERVE Crabcore is an emerging genre rapidly gaining popularity, it's still underground but it is gaining momentum so it makes sense that wikipedia be current with such a trend for those who will wish to know. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.50.43.113 (talk • contribs) 2009-06-23 06:43:27 — 70.50.43.113 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * KEEP - Crabcore is the future. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.34.64.72 (talk • contribs) 2009-06-23 06:57:17
 * PRESERVE It really helped me with an essay, others may lose this tool if close-mindedness deletes! 67.185.227.184 (talk) 06:59, 23 June 2009 (UTC) — 67.185.227.184 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Delete without long-term prejudice against re-creation if the term catches on in reliable, independent sources. This appears to be a joke about certain dance moves (GIF) mostly from one video of one band. guardian.co.uk Music blog is the clostest thing to a source, and considering its date (23 June 2009), it may be taken entirely from this Wikipedia article. The term is not currently notable, and this article as written is not meant to be either encyclopedic or seriously informative. / edg ☺ ☭ 14:19, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Preserve The Guardian article has further embedded this term into cultural parlance. It's here to stay.
 * Based on contributions, I think this is the same as 86.135.82.147 above. Rnb (talk) 18:52, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * PRESERVE This is legit. People trying to shut down Crabcore is the same as when they were trying to shut down "Rock N Roll" back in the day. Deathwish124 (talk) 19:27, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * PRESERVE If Wikipedia is going to stay on the cutting edge of information and knowledge, we need to be ready to document new movements in all fields including music. Preserve! 68.248.233.69 (talk) 22:03, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is not "on the cutting edge of information and knowledge". It is a tertiary source of verifiable information already confirmed by reliable sources. / edg ☺ ☭ 10:58, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * The drummer from Attack Attack! sent me a message on Myspace after I 'congratulated' him on inventing this new genre. He says he wants this page to stay up and for some reason he's proud of inventing a style of 'music' called 'crabcore'. Takes all kinds I guess. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.135.216.37 (talk • contribs) 2009-06-23 16:28:00
 * Delete. Clear WP:MADEUP, note the keep/"preserve" sources are all likely trolls from 4chan. tedder (talk) 01:23, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. Maybe one day it will be notable enough to be included, but at this point it doesn't appear to have enough credible external sources to merit the backing for an article. HarlandQPitt (talk) 05:09, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * DELETE. Crabcore is not a real genre. It's not a real ANYTHING. Fact of the matter is, detractors of -core music will label ANYTHING as core. For example, one time my buddy's band went onstage in their exercise clothes because they didn't have time to change and people started calling them 'gymcore.' That doesn't make it a real genre. This crabcore page is just a joke gone too far. It started in YouTube comments on the band Attack Attack!'s Stick Stickly video. Then people took it everywhere. It's not serious. May as well make any stupid variation of metal a Wiki page if we're going to keep this. Progressive neoclassical avant-garde proto-death power-thrash metal here we come. (PowerGamer6 (talk) 07:31, 24 June 2009 (UTC))
 * Comment once you have a "people took it everywhere" situation, it may well become notable even if it's a notable joke. I'm still inclined to look for a rd target for it, but that it's a joke isn't reason enough to delete it. There's an album with that title (Shipa, was it?) and a Guardian page addresses it...even if it's only an Intenet meme, many of those have their own pages now. JJL (talk) 13:33, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

"KEEP" This is the best thing I've ever read and the sources do check out maybe Those who want to delete this don't understand the extremity and importance of this style to its fans 25 June 2009 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.96.75.150 (talk • contribs)
 * Delete Though hilarious, this is a 4chan hoax. Chubbles (talk) 13:49, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. Crabcore is gaining momentum, and is starting to appear in mainstream publications. I say copy all this to Uncyclopedia or something, and then create a proper wikified version. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.169.239.227 (talk • contribs) — 124.169.239.227 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Delete No reliable sources, no coverage and, to top it all off, it is played by one band? Not notable. DDDtriple3 (talk) 22:09, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment Eye Weekly and The Guardian are very popular websites. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.221.76.184 (talk • contribs)
 * Delete Completely non-notable and no reliable sources. Pretty obvious Meatpuppetry also. ReformatMe (talk) 22:44, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * PRESERVE The article is serious and is informative about a new fledgling genre that should be recognized by Wikipedia. Hideaki02 (talk) 02:06, 25 June 2009 (UTC) — Hideaki02 (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.