Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Craig B. Lloyd


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Arguments have been presented for both Keep and Delete, but the Delete arguments are more firmly based in Wikipedia policy and carry the day. MelanieN (talk) 00:19, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

Craig B. Lloyd

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Fails WP:SOLDIER. Non notable officer and his post CG doesn't offer any notability either. Prod removed by IP user who made claims that he meets WP:SOLDIER 5&6 but I disagree. Commanding a search and rescue mission is admirable but not what is meant by 5&6. Or does being on TV make it notable? Gbawden (talk) 09:15, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 14:27, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 14:27, 14 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete. Not an admiral and no significant awards or posts. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:22, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep. Per the article USCGC Munro (WHEC-724), meets WP:SOLDIER 5&6 as a significant post. 184.90.237.3 (talk) 22:29, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete non-notable soldier.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:14, 18 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep It could use better sourcing for his commands and medals, though. Just because his USCGC Munro command fails WPS doesn't mean his command is not notable. Most global militaries have notable peacetime events. —  Wylie pedia  17:46, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I would argue that his command of the rescue mentioned in Deadliest Catch is a case of BLP1E Gbawden (talk) 07:51, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I would argue that his New Orleans DCS command (post-Hurricane Katrina) trumps BLP1E. —  Wylie pedia  15:50, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete as examining the article still found questionability for his own notable article. SwisterTwister   talk  00:16, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jenks24 (talk) 08:23, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep as passing criteria 5 and 6 of WP:SOLDIER having two significant commands Atlantic306 (talk) 22:38, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete Ok, this is going to get long, but we need to address the points raised for the afd and explain this slowly for everyone's benefit. To begin with, everyone missed an important point here: strictly speaking, WP:SOLDIER does not - repeat NOT - apply here. While it is true that the United States Coast Guard does operate in a military capacity, the events covered in the article are not exclusively within the scope of the military history project, there are in keeping with the Coast Guard's role under the United States Department of Homeland Security. This means that the article's subject material comes more under the heading of the General Notability Guidelines for people as opposed to soldier specifically. Accordingly then, while SOLDIER 5 and 6 may state that he "Played an important role in a significant military event;" or "Commanded a substantial body of troops in combat;" they did not occur in a combat situation. That redefines this argument fundamentally to be one unrelated to milhist guidelines here. Without the protection of MILHIST in this matter, the rest of the article unwinds pretty quickly. Captain is a high ranking officer, but a captain in command of only a cutter does not qualify for the protection afforded flag officers. In this specific case, a little leeway does need to be given due to the nature of the Coast Guard's command structure - there are only two flag officers that are in the USCG, so captain should carry a little more weight here, but that is offset by the fact that there are 244 cutters in the Coast Guard, all of whom would likely carry a ranking officer at or near Captain, and that number does not include land based stations, boats, aircraft, or other non-naval related areas covered by the coast guard, which in turn offsets what little the article gains by this reorientation. His actions at the helm during the loss of the fishing boat on Deadliest Catch does initially appear to save the article, however it simultaneously seals the article's fate under WP:ONEEVENT: The cutter's captain is best known only for the rescue. His New Orleans service is in this case irrelevant to the notability claim since he was not on service in the Gulf of Mexico when Hurricane Katrina made landfall, which makes him 12 months too late to have had any important role in the well publicized rescue and recovery efforts in the city. The final nail in the coffin is that the only two references are for the man's education, not for his service. Without a means to verify the information in the article's other paragraphs, and with a master's degree being an important but common-ish education milestone, there is literally nothing in this article that demonstrates notability in any capacity. TomStar81 (Talk) 09:56, 3 July 2016 (UTC)


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