Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Craig Dillon (2nd nomination)


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The result was   delete. postdlf (talk) 18:21, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Craig Dillon
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Subject is not notable as media personality, the only significant coverage about the subject is an alleged scandal. Recommend deletion as essentially WP:BLP1E. § FreeRangeFrog croak 21:25, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete, completely agree with above. Joseph2302 (talk) 21:27, 18 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment The previous AFD from 2006 of the same title was a musician, unrelated to this person. § FreeRangeFrog croak 21:34, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
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 * Delete nothing has changed since last AfD to suggest notability. LibStar (talk) 00:32, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment As FreeRangeFrog points out, the previous AfD was about a musician with the same name, unrelated to this article. StewdioMACK Talk page 03:21, 20 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete I've done a lot of work on this article, but after reviewing WP:BIO, I just don't think he has enough mainstream coverage outside of that one scandal. StewdioMACK Talk page 03:30, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete for now. It seems as though this scandal is the only thing that got picked up by reliable sources.  I don't know enough about YouTube or YouTubers to really say whether this is a low profile individual, but WP:BLP1E and WP:CRIME discourage these kinds of articles.  If he breaks into the mainstream, then we can have an article on him.  Right now, it seems like this going to be nothing more than a bulleted list of incidents of YouTube drama and scandal. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 17:37, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Do Not Delete After reviewing the edits user FreeRangeFrog seems to have a bias against this article, deleting a lot of credible and sourced information, especially about Dillon's complaint to the Press Complaints Commission about an online newspaper. So can we assume FreeRangeFrog represents them or is affiliated with them in some way? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.74.220.45 (talk • contribs) — 161.74.220.45 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Do Not Delete I've also done a lot of work on this article with StewdioMACK and it seems interesting that it was nominated for deletion by someone with a bias against the subject. Dillon is a very well known YouTube star and is currently the Largest Openly Gay YouTuber in the UK, this is a very important article and its essential that young LGBT teens have someone to relate to and discuss relevant issues with; especially in a time when LGBT suicide rates are so high, users finding this article could be helped by Dillon's work. He has played a large role in the lives of many young people, and his work deserve recognition. Dylan.Windsor (talk) 16:47, 24 February 2015
 * Do Not Delete Agree with above, I have an inside knowledge of the YouTube world and I can confirm Dillon is very well known, and not just for the scandal. He has just been announced as the Host of the 2015 Porn Awards and only yesterday he addressed the LGBT Leaders Conference in London. Dillon has a large profile and after only recently coming out his profile in the LGTB community is growing rapidly. Deleting the article would be a mistake, it will only be rewritten next month as Dillon's profile grows even bigger. YouTubeGirls (talk) 17:12, 24 February 2015 — YouTubeGirls (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Comment YouTubeGirls is incorrect. Nowhere has Dillon been announced as the host of any '2015 Porn Awards', as far as we can tell. Nor was he a speaker at the LGBT Leaders Conference in London this week. Dillon is not listed as a Speaker on the conference's website: http://www.lgbtleaders.co.uk Nor is he pictured in any photos from the event on the conference's Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.414842375358945.1073741831.315483938628123&type=1 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.134.232.107 (talk) 02:28, 25 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Do Not Delete Deletion has been requested by someone with extreme bias against Dillon, probably a Journo involved in the Complaint made to the IPCC. Dillon is very well known in the gay world, as a member of the LGBT community this I can confirm. Dillon has an article in the upcoming Gay Times Magazine and there are rumours we're going to see him on the cover of attitude magazine next month, all unconfirmed of course but I agree with the girl above, deleting the article would make no sense. There is a lot of buzz around this guy especially with him being the biggest openly gay YouTube star in the UK! bigger. LondonLGBTmagazine (talk) 16:02, 24 February 2015 — LondonLGBTmagazine (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Comment There are no rumours, 'unconfirmed' or otherwise, that Dillon will be on the cover of Attitude magazine next month. As far as we can tell, the only instance of this 'rumour' appearing anywhere, ever, is LondonLGBTmagazine's 'Do Not Delete' comment above. 'There is a lot of buzz around this guy,' claims 'LondonLGBTmagazine' (who, are we to presume, is Dillon himself or someone linked to Dillon?), 'especially with him being the biggest openly gay YouTube star in the UK!' Except, even that isn't true. Not by a long chalk. Dillon has a modest 50K subscribers, compared to, for example, openly gay RoseEllenDix's 323,000 subscribers! Other openly gay UK YouTubers who are larger than Dillon include MalumTV (87.8K subs), TheRealJazzBertie (85.6K), xJamie1x (79K), TrentAndLuke (64.8K), etc, etc.


 * Delete not a notable WP:BIO other then the negative info Bentogoa (talk) 18:40, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:BLP1E. OhNo itsJamie Talk 18:50, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete Dillon is not a notable media personality. Indeed, this article appears to have been written by Dillon himself, or by a close associate. (1: The article's creator and principal contributor is a Dylan.Windsor, although this may be a coincidence. 2: Dillon has family in Windsor, UK. Maybe this is a coincidence, too? 3: A YouTube channel called 'Dylan Windsor' – https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzWmO6BhfawMDX3NJkn5lFw – was established in Feb 2013, its only activity to date having been to like/thumb-up Dillon’s YouTube videos. Another coincidence?) Creating/writing a Wikipedia article about yourself, though not forbidden, raises serious WP:NPOV concerns, especially when the only significant coverage of the subject is in relation to various sex abuse allegations. WP:BLP1E and WP:CRIME further discourage these kinds of articles. (NB. so far, all the 'Do Not Delete' comments on this AFD page are either from 'Dylan.Windsor' himself, or from accounts – such as 'YouTubeGirls' and 'LondonLGBTmagazine' – that have, curiously, made no other edits outside this topic.) Also, many of the assertions in this article – and even assertions on this ADF page, made by those arguing 'Do Not Delete' – are demonstrably untrue, eg. the repeated claim that Dillon is 'currently the Largest Openly Gay YouTuber in the UK'. (He isn’t. Not even close. Dillon has a modest 50K subscribers, compared to, for example, RoseEllenDix's 323,000 subscribers! Other openly gay UK YouTubers who are larger than Dillon include MalumTV (87.8K subs), TheRealJazzBertie (85.6K), xJamie1x (79K), TrentAndLuke (64.8K), and many more.) Other claims in this article, some of which have since been deleted, range from the faintly ridiculous ('Dillon has been referred to as "The Prince of WeHo" and "The Prince of SoHo" in local media' – no reliable sources cited) and the opportunistic ('Dillon hosted the 2014 Student Pride Awards' – he absolutely did not, and 'Studentpridepress' themselves deleted that claim from this article), to the misleading ('Dillon launched legal proceedings to sue his ex-partner' – this never happened; Dillon merely threatened to) and deceitful ('many YouTubers, especially those in the LGBT community, were seen defending Dillon [when he was accused of sexual assault]’ – again, no sources cited. There appear to be no actual instances of any notable YouTubers, LGBT or otherwise, defending Dillon – presumably because none were willing to defend someone accused of sexually harassing/raping six people between the ages of 15-19, and/or because very few people are even aware of who Dillon is, further suggesting that this article really should be deleted.86.134.232.107 (talk) 23:49, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.