Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Craig E. Carter


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The article has been speedily deleted as requested by the author (CSD G7). See the last comment below. JamesBWatson (talk) 21:09, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Craig E. Carter

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Non-notable individual lacking GHits and GNEWs of substance. Appears to fail WP:BIO and WP:ATHLETE.  ttonyb (talk) 23:01, 25 January 2011 (UTC)


 *  Comment  - Undecided at this point. Enough assertion of notability to decline speedy and I have cleared the worst of the promotionalism.  Worth giving him the seven days this AfD will take to make his case. Safiel (talk) 23:10, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete I have not located any coverage of the subject and thus am going to urge delete at this time. Safiel (talk) 20:17, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment - I will also note that the article creator is evidently a student of the subject of the article. Safiel (talk) 23:14, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 03:12, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 03:12, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment The article states that he won "World Champion Titles (Four in Kumite)". If true he might be notable, but I can't seem to find anything independent of his own website confirming this. Travelbird (talk) 11:24, 26 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete It seems impossible to find any independent coverage of him, despite extensive searching. Several of the references are links to pages not even mentioning him, some to pages barely mentioning him, and in addition most of them are not independent sources. JamesBWatson (talk) 12:42, 26 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment Even thought I am deeply honored by my staff, students/ former and present I do not find a need to have the "wikipedia" group validate me. Any reputation I may or may not have is based solely on the work I have done in martial arts development and I have been honored for that work by said organizations. I do not claim to be notable and truly have no interest in being so as it would only distract from the development of programs. Take it for what you will and do with as you please. Again  thank you to all the students and staff behind this movement. Yours in Training; GM CE Carter  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.55.73.23 (talk) 16:49, 26 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep – This Asian Journal article verifies the claim that Craig Carter is a Grandmaster and that he has been inducted into the Martial Artists’ “Masters Hall of Fame.” Xajaso (talk) 22:27, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment – A single article does not establish notability nor is being a grandmaster part of the criteria the notability.  ttonyb  (talk) 22:28, 26 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete A passing mention in a local newspaper article is hardly significant coverage. The article's claims are noteworthy and would clearly make him notable if they could be verified, but I found no independent support of his notability.  I do appreciate GM Carter's perspective on things. Papaursa (talk) 00:58, 27 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment not sure why the pictures have been removed but we do have the full rights and they are released for public use. We also added a few more links that verify the different information. Some information about the teaching of military is also hard to come by for obvious reasons. Ntcpfma (talk) 16:51, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment – The pictures were removed because there was no indication they you or anyone else had, "...full rights and they are released for public use." They were appeared to have been taken from a copyrighted website lacking a license compatible with Wikipedia requirements.  ttonyb  (talk) 18:07, 27 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment - ok we have been reviewing many of the martial artist pages on wikipedia and found many page like this one http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerry_Roop that have no outside sources what so ever... and our founder can for example be read about in the Asian Journal and then cross checked with the Master's Hall of Fame directly at http://www.mastershalloffame.org/content/ambassadors and at http://www.mastershalloffame.org/content/mhof-inductee-list-2008 as well as other internet based press releases regarding the Hall of Fame every year from 2008, 2009, 2010.... just wanted to share that while the editors are reviewing things... Ntcpfma (talk) 17:54, 27 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment – The existence of other articles has no bearing on this article. All articles must be evaluated on  their own merits.   It could very well be there are other articles that should be deleted because they do not meet Wikipedia criteria.  Please see WP:WAX.  BTW - Press releases are not considered valid secondary sources.  ttonyb  (talk) 18:03, 27 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment Another useful page relating to the argument based on other articles existing is Inclusion is not an indicator of notability. JamesBWatson (talk) 19:55, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Ntcpfma (talk) 21:01, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete Our founder has asked that we remove the article as validation from non-martial arts practitioners is not with his wishes. We do feel he is notable in our industry but please remove/delete any and all material regarding him as per his request...thank you
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