Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Craig Forgrave


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The result was Delete both. NawlinWiki 04:01, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Craig Forgrave
A writer with one book published with a press that doesn't seem to meet the guidelines. He isn't on Amazon. He fails WP:BIO, and his book fails the inclusion guidelines for books.

I am also nominating Devil Jazz as the book in question. Crystallina 04:07, 12 September 2006 (UTC)


 * [[Image:Symbol keep vote.svg|15px]] Keep: Normally, I see a published book, no matter what it is, as notable. Maybe we should wait and watch. ~  Porphyric Hemophiliac   §  04:53, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete both per nom.--Peta 05:11, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete - Google found this profile of him, but I still think he doesn't pass WP:BIO. The book definitely doesn't cut it. And it does look like the publisher does vanity publishing. My Alt Account 09:40, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete One (possible vanity published) book does not, generally, make for a notable author. And that is true here.  Marcus22 12:01, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete if that press is a vanity press, but Keep otherwise. Lankiveil 12:34, 12 September 2006 (UTC).
 * I don't see any likelihood of it being established either way. Looking at the publisher's web page, there's a lot of talk which sounds like code for "you can pay us, instead of us paying you" (i.e., vanity press). But perhaps they do a little of both. In which case, only the author could tell you. My Alt Account 13:23, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I had a quick looks and it looks like a vanity press to me, I've simply included the other option in case I'm wrong, as an "out" of sorts ;-). Lankiveil 12:11, 13 September 2006 (UTC).
 * [[Image:Symbol comment vote.svg|15px]] Comment: Rememeber this from WP:BIO: "This is not intended to be an exclusionary list; just because someone doesn't fall into one of these categories doesn't mean an article on the person should automatically be deleted."~   Porphyric Hemophiliac   §  14:31, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete, only one reliable, third-party, non-trivial source = fails WP:V. Recury 17:18, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
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