Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Craig Johnston (politician)


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The result was keep. Eddie891 Talk Work 12:39, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

Craig Johnston (politician)

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No real claim to notability. He is not notable as a local government counsellor alone and the claim that he is "the author of several works on the gay rights movement, with a particular focus on Sydney" does not demonstrate notability. Grahame (talk) 04:39, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
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 * Delete. Fails WP:NPOL, WP:NAUTHOR and WP:GNG. WWGB (talk) 05:05, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete as per above, WP:NPOL, WP:NAUTHOR and WP:GNG --Whiteguru (talk) 07:20, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep Article creator here. Working on it, but very widespread news coverage as activist in the late 1970s and early 1980s. Also, from the notability guidelines, "precedent has tended to favor keeping members of the main citywide government of internationally famous metropolitan areas such as Toronto, Chicago, Tokyo, or London" Sheijiashaojun (talk) 11:24, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
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 * Keep - per WP:ANYBIO. While it is true the subject may not strictly meet the requirements of subject-specific notability criteria, the quantum of their contribution to politics, academia, activism, gay rights, gay culture, publishing, and the creation of a number of important cultural institutions in Sydney (including the Sydney Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras) is enough to warrant inclusion here, I think. This book is littered with references to the subject, their involvement in various key events, and a number of their written works (either by quotation or citation). Their multiple books (cited as they have been) are arguably enough to substantiate a "widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record in a specific field". The City of Sydney, of course, maintains a biography here, which makes WP:V quite easy. The subject has been cited by multiple members of both the NSW Parliament and the Australian Parliament for his contribution to the early gay rights movement in Sydney, and photos of his prominent place at early gay rights rallies are held by the National Library of Australia. Needless to say, those early days of gay rights activism didn't exactly receive a lot of mainstream media coverage, and even attending such a rally was enough to get someone arrested. On the contrary, though, he was elected to Sydney City Council (as noted above, a main citywide government of internationally famous metropolitan area) and continued to advocate for gay rights. There are less reliable sources (like this one) that nonetheless detail his role in what was - at the time - a fairly "underground" movement. Finally, his work is on the reading lists for courses at various Australian universities, like this one.  St ★ lwart 1 1 1 03:37, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * His work is also referenced here in the Australian Humanities Review, and this timeline notes his prominence as a founding member of the Gay Rights Lobby (GRL) four years before homosexuality was decriminalised in NSW.  St ★ lwart 1 1 1 03:49, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment. It would be good if there was evidence of any of these claims for notability with reliable sources in the body of the article.--Grahame (talk) 03:52, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Agreed, and I have no doubt they will be added. But the article had existed for 24 hours before it was nominated for deletion and there's no rush. The author might be busy trying to rectify the problems that weren't tagged or raised on the talk page - but should have been - when WP:BEFORE was conducted.  St ★ lwart 1 1 1 04:05, 16 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep per Stalwart and Sheijia. Bit premature to delete at the moment, and subject seems to pass WP:ANYBIO. BlackholeWA (talk) 08:06, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep per Stalwart, Sheijia and BLackholeWA —  OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk; please &#123;&#123;ping&#125;&#125; me in replies) 10:55, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep, article has been significantly expanded since nomination, multiple book and national newspaper sources added. Wojnpob (talk) 00:39, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep, per article expansion. Worth noting that Sydney City Council is certainly not a "main citywide government" as it covers only the CBD and immediate surrounds, but its members do tend to attract more coverage than your average local councillor in the statewide and national press. Frickeg (talk) 06:14, 22 September 2021 (UTC)


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