Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Craig McMorris


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The result was NO CONSENSUS. I would also add that in my opinion changing the nomination text after others have already replied to it is a very dubious practice. Far better is a new comment after the replies, and if necessary striking the offending passage.  Spinning Spark  15:03, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Craig McMorris

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According to his record he recently placed 50th in the FIS Snowboarding World Championships 2013, and at best 17th at the FIS Snowboard World Cup (and most recently 32nd). If we're not using his placements to assert notability, I don't see a lot of WP:SIGCOV outside run of the mill or WP:ROUTINE coverage for his events. Note: Google News mainly comes back with stories by Craig McMorris the news reporter. Mkdw talk 06:24, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
 * But, if you actually check the FIS records, you will see that Craig McMorris was ranked 5th in slopestyle in the 2012 World Cup, and qualified in 3rd. He has also filmed several video parts for films for NuuLife Cinema and Class Five Snowboards, and has frequently been profiled and the subject of articles and videos on TransWorld, one of the top snowboard news sites. -  September16th talk  —Preceding undated comment added 07:26, 3 March 2013 (UTC)  — September16th (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Ranking (points accumulated) and final position are two different things. You can be any rank but if you finish 50th then the ranking means little. For example, on the FIS official 2013, he had 0 points and ranked 139th in 2013 and you can find him near the bottom despite placing 50th. If you're point out that he's notable because he's been in commercials then we'd look at him through WP:NACTOR but he wouldn't meet that criteria either. Getting sponsorships, advertising deals, and interviews is fairly routine for athletes. Mkdw talk 07:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
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 * Keep - McMorris has competed at the highest level in his sport. He is a member of his country's national team, competed in multiple World Cup competitions, and he has competed at the World Championships for slopestyle.  There is simply no more higher level of competition than the World Championships for slopestyle.  As for the assertion that a top 10 finish is needed in the world championship, I do not see it stated anywhere in the sports specific guidelines with the possible exception of the one for triathalon.  On the contrary, many of the sport-specific guidelines mention participation in the World Champhionships without qualification based on their results at the competition.  This is in line with the general guidance that competing at the highest level in the sport indicates notability;  specifically WP:NTRACK, WP:NBADMINTON, WP:NCYC, WP:NSKATE, WP:NGYMNASTICS, WP:NHOCKEY. -- Whpq (talk) 14:28, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I think it's hard to compare specific guidelines that have to do with a completely other sport. It's oranges to apples, some of those are even team sports. As many guidelines cite they must have medalled or top 10 finishes. I just don't see how someone who didn't qualify for the Olympics and placed 50th at World's is notable enough for a standalone article. I mean, he would be a longshot precedent if you compare him against Category:Canadian snowboarders where they all have medalled. Mkdw talk 16:31, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm confused. Can you clarify which guideline you are referring to which cite "medalled or top 10 finishes" because I didn't see any.  As for comparing McMorris to other snowboarders, it's a rather WP:OTHERSTUFF type of argument.  The fact that we don't have articles on all the snowboarders who have competed at the World Champioships indicates to me that nobody has got around to it yet.  I would agree that they don't represent high priority articles for creations, but they would all meet WP:NSPORT which is what guides thje decision on topic inclusion for sports people. -- Whpq (talk) 17:15, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm merely pointing out that saying other athletes in other sports are notable because is the same argument because they're unrelated sports. I think we can both agree that in lieu of no direct guideline about snowboarders that WP:ATHLETE (WP:NSPORT) is the prevalent guideline that should be used. The basis for my nomination was a lack of SIGCOV outside of WP:ROUTINE and run of the mill coverage since most stories I find are not directly about him across a wide range of publications (most about Team Canada, the World's, or other teammates). Mkdw talk 18:44, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
 * The only reason I mentioned the other sports is because the nominating statement stated "finished in the top 10 when competing in their respective World Championship", and I was trying to address that point of your nomination. It would be helpful if you clarified what you mean by that.  It appears we both agree that no such statement appears in any of the notability guidelines, so it would be helpful to me, and any other editors coming into this dicsussion later if you can explain what you mean by that statement. -- Whpq (talk) 19:20, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
 * You're right. I've condensed my nomination to be more clear of the main point. Mkdw talk 19:38, 4 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep per Whpq. Till  02:04, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
 * WP:PERNOM and this editor has a WP:COI considering this !vote was made in between edits of a failed ANI filed against me by this user; see WP:WIKIHOUNDING. Mkdw talk 02:40, 5 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete WP:Routine coverage only. Doesn't appear to have placed at any apex event in his sport. Stuartyeates (talk) 04:28, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Question - Whicj policy requires placing at an apex event in his sport? -- Whpq (talk) 02:07, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
 * There isn't a policy that says placing at an apex event in his sport would confer notability, but if they had I'd expect there would have been enough coverage, even if it were hard to find. Stuartyeates (talk) 04:57, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
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