Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Craig Skinner (footballer)


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The result was keep. Liz Read! Talk! 22:31, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

Craig Skinner (footballer)

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Non notable former footballer athlete. Does not meet Notability (sports) guidelines. The article has no references and there is no major coverage that was made on the athlete- Google brings up nothing other than the Wikipedia page. Smuckers It has to be good 22:06, 10 October 2022 (UTC)


 *  Delete,I agree with you on the notability aspect, and the one external link has no sources of its own.
 * Baudshaw (talk) 22:57, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

*Delete Agreed. I was unable to find any coverage. There is nothing on Google. Fifthapril (talk) 03:45, 11 October 2022 (UTC) Keep Changing my vote to keep after seeing the sources mentioned by fellow editors. Thanks Fifthapril (talk) 13:43, 12 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Football,  and England. Shellwood (talk) 08:47, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment For a footballer who played in the 1990s we can expect more sources to be offline than online. So in this case a web search would not be sufficient to assess notability. Robby.is.on (talk) 10:28, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the feedback. My vote was based on two things. (1) in his 150+ appearances, majority of them were for the clubs based in lower tiers e.g. 3rd and 4th division and (2) coverage which I was unable to find initially so that's I was going for "delete" vote. I am thankful to my fellow editors who posted different sources to verify his notability. Fifthapril (talk) 14:14, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. I don't feel strongly about keeping or deleting this particular article. I just wanted to make the point about web searches not being sufficient for a player of the 1990s since the two of you mentioned "Google" and your comments read like you hadn't checked for offline sources. Robby.is.on (talk) 14:24, 12 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. GiantSnowman 11:21, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep - footballer with over 150 appearances in England's professional football leagues, as confirmed by this. As Robby says the majority of coverage will be offline, and IAR/COMMONSENSE applies. might be able to confirm coverage in York City book? Those saying there are no sources are either insept or lying, a quick Google brings up GOS, WF, York Press (1),York Press (2), Grecian Archive, Red Passion, VSI etc. etc. GiantSnowman 11:28, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment - There is some coverage in newspapers.com. Most it is routine or passing mentions, but there may be one or two things that are suitable, for example this, which gives a bit of biographical info. The sources GiantSnowman shared here don't look very significant though. Greens on Screen gives the most info on the player, but is a one-man blog, so I don't believe it passes muster. The Grecian Archive piece is about a different person. The rest looks like database entries, stuff from his employer and someone recounting a chat they had with him. That said, some of the fan stuff does indicate people are still thinking about him, years later. There probably is more out there. Holding off !voting for now and seeing what turns up. MarchOfTheGreyhounds (talk) 12:17, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep the sources provided by User:GiantSnowman and User:MarchOfTheGreyhounds are sufficient to barely pass WP:GNG. And even for those who believe otherwise, WP:COMMONSENSE dictates that a player with 176 appearances in English professional football including some as high as the 2nd tier should have an article.  Frank   Anchor  14:20, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep - Per GiantSnowman and Frank Anchor. I found 8, 9, 10, 11, among many many more sources. Clearly was significant figure in English lower league football, and definitely has many more offline sources having had a extensive fully pro career and 100+ appearances in the English second, third, and fourth tiers. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 17:30, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Good finds, thanks, Das osmnezz. I've used them to flesh out the article. :-) Robby.is.on (talk) 22:38, 11 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep. Das provided some good sources above to confirm the subject meets GNG. MarchOfTheGreyhounds (talk) 22:13, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep after recent adjustments.--Ortizesp (talk) 21:37, 12 October 2022 (UTC)


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