Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Creative Health Capital


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The result was   delete. Spartaz Humbug! 03:35, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Creative Health Capital

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Doesn't seem to meet the notability requirements of WP:CORP. NawlinWiki (talk) 15:19, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

It is very notable, as it has been referenced by the following seven reliable and independent sources: http://nreionline.com/finance/news/grubb_ellis_healthcare_reit_0921/ http://greisguide.com/dev/?p=1346 http://www.hcapconference.com/who_attends_pef.php http://www.nic.org/research/lender/LenderDetailsView.aspx?id=201 http://www.hoovers.com/company/Creative_Health_Capital/xkkfrjxyk-1.html http://www.manta.com/c/mtmpc9j/creative-health-capital http://evanston.patch.com/listings/creative-health-capital

80.187.211.117 (talk) 15:42, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment Soory but I don't think these cut the mustard. All they establish is that they exsist not that they are notable.Nor do these sources 'referance' this company, they refer to them. That is a different thing.Slatersteven (talk) 16:08, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete I know in my case there was a Kitty Genovese effect for speedying it. Ian.thomson (talk) 16:49, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
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 * Delete. Minor trade publication and market research publications do not establish notability.  Article is advertising in tone, with unreferenced claims to market leadership.  No indication of technical, cultural, or historical significance. - Smerdis of Tlön - killing the human spirit since 2003! 17:59, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I am trying to edit the article so that it is not advertising in tone, and yet also establish that the company is notable. It is very difficult to do one without encroaching on the other. NawlinWiki, Slatersteven, Ihcoyc, could you please help me as I am a new Wikipedia user. I have also found and added the following sources to aid in notability:

"PR Newswire" http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/grubb--ellis-healthcare-reit-ii-acquires-cape-girardeau-long-term-acute-care-hospital-in-missouri-101072254.html

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/grubb--ellis-healthcare-reit-ii-acquires-joplin-long-term-acute-care-hospital-in-missouri-102385009.html

"redOrbit" http://www.redorbit.com/news/health/1944638/grubb__ellis_healthcare_reit_ii_acquires_athens_longterm_acute/index.html

"Healthcare Finance News" http://www.healthcarefinancenews.com/press-release/grubb-ellis-healthcare-reit-ii-acquires-athens-long-term-acute-care-hospital-georgia

"Akama" http://www.akama.com/company/Creative_Health_Capital_LLC_a36211915867.html

I appreciate all your help. A comparable company is Juniper Advisory. Although Juniper is 5 years younger than CHC, the two provide similar services and have about the same public awareness. While Juniper focuses on non-profit healthcare organizations, CHC focuses on for-profit healthcare organizations. Neither are as famous as The Blackstone Group or Goldman Sachs, but both maintain a strong reputation within healthcare finance. 80.187.212.57 (talk) 20:39, 21 December 2010 (UTC)


 * one of your new sources is just a listing, and as such does n ot establish notability. The others (which all seem to be the saem press realease) just says the companmy has done something. It does not establish that what its done is notabale (and is onlt a pasing referance, indicating its just provided a service, not that that service was notable and nothing else).Slatersteven (talk) 21:19, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for all your comments, Slatersteven, NawlinWiki and Ihcoyc. I have just updated the article so that it hopefully now addresses all the issues you have raised. Here it is with my comments in ">>"

Creative Health Capital, LLC, is a U.S.-based healthcare-focused merchant banking firm. Its opportunity fund arm provides direct equity and mezzanine/subordinated debt capital. Its investment banking arm provides mergers and acquisitions advisory services and senior debt, mezzanine/subordinated debt, bridge capital, equity and sale/leaseback capital-raising services. Creative Health Capital works exclusively with healthcare providers in the long term acute care, skilled nursing, ambulatory surgery center, dialysis center, specialty hospital (including cancer/oncology research and treatment hospitals and orthopedic/joint replacement hospitals), assisted living, independent living, CCRC, memory care and home health subsectors.

>>This is purely factual, describing what CHC is, what it provides and who it works with, with an external source from the National Investment Center, a trusted source and the biggest heathcare provider non-profit that was founded in 1991. Also, as it is purely factual, it is not blatant advertising.

At the trough of the Great Recession in 2010, Creative Health Capital was one of the few investment banking firms to have successfully completed financings for its clients, including capital-raising transactions in Cape Girardeau, Missouri, Joplin, Missouri and Athens, Georgia.

>>This is purely factual and aids in notability. In 2003-2007, investment banking deals were being done left and right, while in 2008-2010, not only were investment banking deals not getting done, but bankers were being laid off and firms were going bankrupt (Lehman Brothers, Bear Stearns). To have gotten a deal done in 2010--and not just one, but three--is a quite a big deal. Also, as it is purely factual, it is not blatant advertising.

The principals at Creative Health Capital are widely sought after for their healthcare finance expertise and ideas, and have spoken on the panels of numerous conferences.

>>This is purely factual and also aids in notability. It is very difficult to be asked to speak at both the HCap and McGuireWoods LLP conferences. Only industry experts with the highest of reputations are invited. Also, as it is purely factual, it is not blatant advertising.

Founded in 2001, Creative Health Capital celebrates its 10th anniversary in the first quarter of 2011. Its headquarters is based in Evanston, Illinois, a suburb of Chicago, with a satellite office in Charlotte, North Carolina.

>>Purely factual. Also, as it is purely factual, it is not blatant advertising.