Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Crepon (surname)


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The result was delete. Sarahj2107 (talk) 07:53, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

Crepon (surname)

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 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. Agricolae (talk) 00:16, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. Agricolae (talk) 00:16, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

Unfortunate mixture of distortion, fantasy and misunderstanding, with no reliable source. Crepon was not a surname of anyone named. Rather it was a place that was granted to the brother of the duchess of Normandy, and hence she has traditionally been called Gunnora de Crepon, meaning nothing more than "from Crepon" (even though she wasn't). Her grandnephew was only known as William son of Osborn (usually represented as Fitz Osbern, Fitz being the standard English rendering of the Norman-French fils = "son of", not "of" as is stated in the article), never Crepon. The names given the great-grandfather, grandfather and father of Gunnora, Roricon, Rainulf and Herbastus, are all completely made up, while the supposed grandmother, "Princess Gunnora of Denmark" is nothing but a confused rendering of Duchess Gunnora herself, who late fraudulent pedigrees claimed was daughter of a King of Denmark. The only sources are a bar chart showing the prevalence by country of people with the Crepon surname (cited only to claim that there are 93 people with the surname today), and a geni.com genealogy page for William Fitz Osbern that calls him Crepon based on someone else's personal genealogy web page. Neither is a reliable source.

Basically, the only verifiable, accurate material on the whole page is the biographical summaries of William Fitz Osbern and Gunnora, covered in more detail on their respective pages, and the genealogical descent of William from Gunnora's brother. Given we also have pages for the intervening generations, Osbern the Steward and Herfast de Crepon, there seems no need for any of it.

A time may come when we want a Crepon (surname) page that deals with modern people with the surname, but it would have to start from scratch as these people have no genealogical connection to the Norman barons who held the town. There also may come a time when we have a page on Gunnora's family, given that the Robert of Torigny wrote about her siblings and nieces and there have been a half-dozen scholarly studies addressing them, but it would likewise need to be started from scratch based on this scholarship and be given a different name, so I see no benefit in retaining the current material for either of these possible future pages. Agricolae (talk) 00:15, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

Delete per nom (which is excellent and doesn't leave much to say). Smmurphy(Talk) 02:20, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

Delete. Srnec (talk) 03:07, 6 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete
 * But consider submitting the AfD nomination itself to AfC. Timothy Joseph Wood  13:20, 6 April 2017 (UTC)


 * DElete for reasons given by nom. Articles like this are typically list articles for people with the surname, which we allow for dab purposes (as we do not allow surname categories).  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:43, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
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