Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Crispin Pailing


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The result was delete. The Blade of the Northern Lights ( 話して下さい ) 16:28, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

Crispin Pailing

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Fails WP:ANYBIO, WP:NAUTHOR and WP:GNG. Non notable clergyman and author Dom from Paris (talk) 09:29, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions. Dom from Paris (talk) 09:29, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. Dom from Paris (talk) 09:29, 30 July 2019 (UTC)


 *  Delete  local coverage New Rector of Liverpool relishes his fresh challenge in city with 'a real buzz about it'; 39-year-old dad-of-two is the parish's youngest rector since 1949, I do not see a claim to notability. Many rectors are wonderful, but few are notable.E.M.Gregory (talk) 14:36, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete -- Another NN clergyman. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:31, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep I think he is a notable priest and that he falls in line with Wikipedia's notability guidelines. He has appeared in national news so I think that Crispin Pailing is a worthy inclusion.J.K.McBrine. Per note below, this user is a confirmed sock of
 * User:J.K.McBrine. It would be very useful if you can bring examples of national news coverage of his work and career to this discussion.E.M.Gregory (talk) 21:15, 30 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Weak delete - ordinary parish priest, albeit of a notable church. Bearian (talk) 21:20, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
 * rethinking As rector of Liverpool's Anglican parish church, Pailing is called the Rector of Liverpool and presides official civic ceremonies; reminder: England has an established church. So there is a lot of stuff along the lines of, Liverpool marks Merchant Navy Day with special service and wreath laying ceremony.  The Rector of Liverpool, the Revd Dr Crispin Pailing, will lead the service,  'Homeless Jesus' sculpture coming to Liverpool.  ''The sculpture will be unveiled as part of a Conference organised by Liverpool Parish Church...    There is space for you to sit on the bench: would you choose to sit next to a homeless person? Would you sit on a bench next to Jesus? – Revd Canon Dr Crispin Pailing, Rector of Liverpool, Queen Elizabeth sails into Liverpool on Monday 23rd July and we want to give her a big Scouse welcome (the cruise ship, not the monarch) will be marked by a special service at Liverpool Parrish Church led by the Rector of Liverpool the Revd Dr Crispin Pailing. In the congregation will be civic dignitaries, including the Lord Mayor of Liverpool, the Master of Queen Elizabeth Captain Aseem Hashmi and ..., Graves of Muslim sailors who joined allies in WWII are rediscovered; Burial places of 11 Indonesians given new headstones during ceremony in Liverpool cemetery were they had been forgotten... On Thursday, the forgotten graves were rededicated in a special service conducted by the rector of Liverpool, the Rev Dr Crispin Pailing, with Islamic prayers said by Imam Waddah Saleh of the Abdullah Quilliam Society.", and many more along those lines.E.M.Gregory (talk) 22:07, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
 * In addition there is news coverage about his activities. Major parish probably makes him notable, sourcing looks promising.  Page creator, a new editor, could be encouraged - I'll get back to this in a day or two.E.M.Gregory (talk) 22:25, 30 July 2019 (UTC) E.M.Gregory (talk)

*Keep He does appear in national news and on national television many times. I think that this and all of his civic and interfaith work puts him on a par with an archdeacon (a post which normally receives a Wikipedia article). Ivor Browning (talk) 17:57, 3 August 2019 (UTC) Note to closing Admin - Ivor Browning seems to be a Master Sock of the two other socks who also Ivoted on this page. See sockpuppet investigation here and the checkuser comment below. Striking this Ivote ---Steve Quinn (talk) 08:09, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete the coverage is local news stuff, that we expect for any local official, it does not rise to the level of showing notability.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:11, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Reluctant Delete -- There is a fair amount of national news coverage that mentions Pailing in his work as Rector of Liverpool (e.g. on the BBC News website: Trap door reveals Liverpool church 'time capsule', 'Liverpool plinth' set to host sculpture every year, Lusitania sinking centenary marked by memorial services), but he is not the subject of the articles. It seems a shame to delete a well-written (if somewhat promotional) article like this, but at present he does not hold a notable-enough position in the CoE and has not done anything notable beyond his duties as a parish priest to warrant keeping. Hopefully the article can be resurrected in a few years time if he moves up the church hierarchy. BabelStone (talk) 10:50, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep I think that being of a notable parish which has notable things does make him a candidate for a Wikipedia article. I also think that the Art that he has brought to Liverpool is of a high standard and notable. The art he has brought includes Homeless Jesus and he organised the Liverpool Plinth. William McFarlane (talk) 18:10, 3 August 2019 (UTC) Per note below, this user is a confirmed sock of
 * User:BabelStone, I grant that the page is overstuffed with parish doings, but I would say that Crispin Pailing is "notable beyond his duties as a parish priest".E.M.Gregory (talk) 16:55, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Despite the shenanigans of Ivor Browning which have rather soured my view of this article, I would be happy to be convinced that Pailing's support for public art does make him notable. From what I've read Pailing mostly seems to be mentioned incidentally in connection with public art in Liverpool, but he is not the subject any coverage at the national level. BabelStone (talk) 17:39, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

BabelStone, I would like to apologise for my awful behaviour with the proposed deletion of this page. Naturally, I felt annoyed and hurt as this is my first page. I would like to reiterate this apology to everyone and hope that my irresponsible actions have not changed the result of this discussion. Ivor Browning (talk) 06:24, 7 August 2019 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Further analysis of sources needed

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Nightfury 13:43, 7 August 2019 (UTC) ---
 * J.K.McBrine. and William McFarlane are ✅ socks of Ivor Browning.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:04, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
 * regretfully delete: BabelStone put it nicely. And JP Lambert already said what I was going to say. — usernamekiran (talk)  06:19, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete - I don't really buy into the discussion of whether Pailing's activities make him notable. The standard is whether the coverage establishes notability. In this case, for me, it does not. Leaving aside the non-independent sources such as his school, his churches etc, we are left with little other than an announcement in the local paper of him taking up his post (which is entirely routine for a parish priest), him being quoted in connection with local events and services (again entirely routine for someone in his position), and the articles about the art where again he is simply being quoted. Parish priests are inevitably going to be used as a local/community voice in local stories, especially if it's something that is a particular interest of theirs, so it's hardly surprising to see his name pop up all over the place, but it's not enough to establish notability. Hugsyrup 12:08, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete: The nominator is correct this subject fails WP:ANYBIO, WP:NAUTHOR and fails WP:GNG. The clergyman is not notable. Lightburst (talk) 14:53, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep I think that being a part of a major church makes him notable. In addition, his support for public art in Liverpool, which appears to be notable and it features in other articles. He also meets the criteria for high profile people (which for some reason I now can't find!) and so I think that he is suitable for a Wikipedia article. Nickmeister066 (talk) 13:05, 14 August 2019 (UTC) — Nickmeister066 (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


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