Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Crispus Attucks Communication and Writing Magnet School


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was Nomination withdrawn per changes made to the article after nomination. Non-admin closure. --Blanchardb- Me • MyEars • MyMouth -timed 04:18, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Crispus Attucks Communication and Writing Magnet School
The article was renamed after this AFD was started. The Old name was Crispus Attucks Elementary School JERRY talk contribs 21:07, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
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PROD tag removed without comment. This elementary school was named after a notable person, but the school itself fails WP:SCHOOL. Delete. The article as it existed at the time of the nomination did not establish that we are dealing with a special school. Which changes everything. Blanchardb- Me • MyEars • MyMouth -timed 04:02, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete many elementary schools are named after notable people (I went to Edgar Allan Poe Elementary ^_^) JuJube (talk) 04:46, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Changing to No Vote since this is apparently no longer about an elementary school. JuJube (talk) 03:00, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete elementary school. AnteaterZot (talk) 04:47, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete - the school's own website states numerous great men and women of the past, present and future have been educated at Attucks School, but seems unable to name one. Fails WP:N. LonelyBeacon (talk) 07:16, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Notable alumni can start with Roger Wilkins here. TerriersFan (talk) 23:25, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
 * And continue with Charlie Parker here and here. TerriersFan (talk) 23:34, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Not forgetting Bennie Moten here. TerriersFan (talk) 23:39, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Point taken .... its a shame the school does not make a note of them because they certainly are notable. LonelyBeacon (talk) 00:03, 25 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete non-notable article about non-notable elementary school. Mh29255 (talk) 08:29, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletions.   —Camaron1 | Chris (talk) 13:43, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete non-notable elementary school --Mhking (talk) 21:20, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Changing vote to Weak Keep; the work that Jerry and Terriers Fan have put in have certainly worked in favor of establishing a modicum of notability, though I personally have a problem with elementary schools being truly notable enough to warrant inclusion as separate articles. There are certainly many other elementary schools that would qualify were this one to be included, which goes to one of the core issues I have with elementary schools in general. That being said, the work they have done does, as I mentioned, establish notability, and despite my other misgivings, the article merits keeping. --Mhking (talk) 03:51, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Strong keep significant context has been added since AFD started. The "edit" button still works! JERRY talk contribs 21:58, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment - First, let's everyone keep things nice and friendly, as in WP:Civil. Second, the single reference is absolutely out of the bounds of WP:V.  That is a study that had nothing to do with the school itself.  The school was used as one of three subjects regarding magnet school and the comparison to other schools.  Any magnet school could have been used for that study.  Just because it happened to be this one, does not make it any more notable.  WP:V requires that the article be focused on the subject, and that you don't start connecting the dots from the article to the subject, which is what I am seeing with this reference. LonelyBeacon (talk) 22:55, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Please recheck this. It is actually a comprehensive study of the only three magnet schools in the communication and magnet theme as of the writing.  It compares and contrasts this specific school to the other two, and also all three of them as a group to other themes of magnet schools, and lastly all magnet schools to comprehensive or traditionaal curriculum schools.  The source is not related to the subject, provides critical commentary (both positive and negative), and mentions it non-trivially. This passes WP:V as far as I can tell. JERRY talk contribs 23:06, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment - WP:V is not, I suggest, at issue here. What is pivotal is whether there are multiple sources to meet WP:N. The abstract says "A formative evaluation documented the progress made by three elementary schools (Crispus Attucks, New West, and Troost) during the second year of implementing the communications and writing theme ...". Of course any school could have been chosen but these three were chosen and since the report evaluates them it is an entirely permissible reference. TerriersFan (talk) 23:11, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

*Keep - the school is the subject of a published report. In addition there have been controversial incidents here, the court case two down, here, here etc that provide the sources to meet WP:N in addition to the notable alumni above. TerriersFan (talk) 23:01, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment - TerriersFan, assuming good faith, here, check those links, because only one of them links to anything related to the school, and that is to a commemoration ceremony by the school district. As they are, I clicked on them, and they were filled with fragmented stories that had nothing to do with the school. LonelyBeacon (talk) 23:59, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Are you reading the same article? Please go back and read it often, it is evolving. JERRY talk contribs 00:04, 25 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Strong keep - upgraded !vote in the light of phenomenal work by User:Jerry who by supplying multiple, independent, verifiable sources has achieved compliance with WP:N and beyond. TerriersFan (talk) 02:39, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep Wow! This article has been improved dramatically since nominated at AfD, with props due to User:Jerry and User:TerriersFan for basically rewriting the article. The ample reliable and verifiable sources provided clearly satisfy the Notability standard. Alansohn (talk) 02:59, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Neutral numerous tangential references added. Charlie Parker might have attended the school, but he did not credit the school with any influence on his development. Encyclopedic content could be transferred to a district article and elsewhere. I recommend that this case not be taken as a precedent for what would be enough to retain an elementary school article. But at present, since so much work was done on the article, I'll change my opinion. But I would rather see all elementary schools consolidated to their district pages. AnteaterZot (talk) 03:13, 25 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep - The incorporation of famous alumni of this school merits a keep. -Mastrchf91-  03:34, 25 December 2007 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.