Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Critics of COVID-19 safety measures that have died from COVID-19


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 10:55, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

Critics of COVID-19 safety measures that have died from COVID-19

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PROD rationale was ''Potentially subjective as to who is a critic of safety measures as, although the media may label someone as such, the person themselves may not identify as such. I'm also struggling to see how there are enough people that would fall into this intersection to make it a worthwhile and encyclopaedic topic.''

Contested with ''In the US but there are many individuals that can be added to this page. It can serve as a warning to others in the future for many different reasons.''

Firstly, it's not Wikipedia's purpose to serve as a warning to those who refuse to wear a mask or refuse to get vaccinated. Whether it's right or wrong, Wikipedia has a policy to maintain a neutral point of view (see WP:NPOV) and this cannot be superseded by any other policy or guideline. I stand by what I wrote when I said that there aren't enough people in this intersection to make it worthwhile to cover them as a list. Not enough notable people anyway. Herman Cain on his own is not enough.

Through some digging, I found a few other news stories of people who refused to wear a mask and/or get vaccinated who ended up dying after testing positive for COVID; Leslie Lawrenson, Stephen Karanja, Matthew Keenan and Gary Matthews. With the exception of Karanja, I don't think any of these people would actually pass notability criteria, though. For this to pass WP:LISTN, there would need to be some sort of discussion of these people as a group because at the moment this list is just a synthesis of different news stories. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 09:02, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
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 * Delete. Another highly inappropriate, tasteless idea for a list. The subject should be discussed in prose somewhere in one of the articles about the pandemic. Gildir (talk) 09:18, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete Fails WP:SYNTH, likely fails WP:LISTN. –LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄ ) 10:03, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete WP:SYNTH and WP:LISTN issues aside, I consider listing this people by this intersection to be fundamentally incompatible with Wikipedia's policy on WP:Attack pages. Leave disparaging the judgments of deceased people to places like the Darwin Awards, Cracked.com, and r/LeopardsAteMyFace. TompaDompa (talk) 11:37, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete - terribly idea for an article topic. --Soman (talk) 12:57, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete because this sort of list page is not useful. List pages are valuable if they do something that a Google search can't do better. List pages that link to a lot of WP articles function as disambiguation pages, and are therefore useful. This is a list of only three people, only one of whom has an article, which makes it pretty pointless. Elemimele (talk) 15:35, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment: I'm very strongly opposed to including non-notable people on the list, but the list could be expanded: John Magufuli for example was very much a notable and a COVID-19 conspiracy theorist. Also, Hans Kristian Gaarder. Vexations (talk) 22:03, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete - per above, and also would argue this is a likely POV fork. --MuZemike 11:16, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete This is an unjustified attack page if I have ever seen it. What next Hyprocritical supporters of Covid-19 safety measures who incurred the disease while flouting their own rules and eating at the French laundry?John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:52, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
 * - please don't give any more ideas for ridiculous COVID lists! :) Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 14:32, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
 * That one is so beyond the pale that I do not think it will happen, but I fear we could get a lot.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:34, 11 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment Only one of these people has an article, and even in his case the approach to including him on the list reeks of partisanship and of poor taste attacking someone for getting sick. There is no reason to have the other 3 people on the list at all.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:35, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I completely agree John. This is the sort of thing that a trashy newspaper or website might include but not Wikipedia. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 16:00, 11 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete Fails WP:SYNTH Nitesh003 (talk) 08:33, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Speedy Delete per WP:SNOW. –– 𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲  talk  08:53, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete hard to define "critics". Fails NPOV, SYNTH, and INDISCRIMINATE. WIKINIGHTS talk 14:36, 13 August 2021 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.