Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Croatian Top 20 Chart


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Cirt (talk) 05:20, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Croatian Top 20 Chart

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This chart is not official chart in Croatia. As article says: The chart is based on public's votes only! SveroH (talk) 12:39, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Radio-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 14:44, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Croatia-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 14:45, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete through lack of sources (being unofficial doesn't mean anything: The Big Top 40 is an unofficial chart in the United Kingdom - it's not recognised by the The Official Charts Company - yet has an article). DitzyNizzy (aka Jess) | (talk to me) | (What I've done)  16:14, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This is chart that is played on HR1 radio. That radio station has round 440.000 listeners. Chart is based on voting. Nowhere states when it is played on radio, and nowhere says how to vote. --SveroH (talk) 19:57, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep: I've added a few Croatian references to it, and suspect there are more than me and google translate haven't yet unearthed. Sadly, the croatian wikipedia (70,000+ articles) doesn't yet have an article on it, though the phrase "HR Top 20" (show nickname) appears in a number of articles there.--Milowent (talk) 20:58, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: I usualy work on Croatian Wikipedia, and i am from Croatia. This article is not about HRTOP20. Hrtop20 is different chart. We have an article hr:Hrvatske glazbene ljestvice (Croatian Music Charts) where are listed Official croatian albums chart (by HDU), croatain singles chart that lists only croatian singles (HRTOP20) and singles chart that lists only foreign singles (singles chart by Otvoreni Radio) This article chart is chart by HR1, and this is not HRtop20 that is listed in articles. For Example "Pjesma za kraj" - here is for source used hrtop20, and not this chart. --SveroH (talk) 19:57, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Eeek. i'll remove those edits then.  thanks!--Milowent (talk) 21:49, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Tim Song (talk) 01:56, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JForget  14:03, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Keep References now added.  Lugnuts  (talk) 14:12, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
 * what references? there is only one referenc in article and that is from this charts web site--SveroH (talk) 14:25, 28 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep As the official chart for a national radio network it seems this completely avoids WP:BADCHARTS. Article has been improved and even if sourced by the network itself it's better than most of the other charts here.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 01:58, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
 * it seems like nobody doesn't get point. this is not official chart in Croatia. hrtop20 is official croatian singles chart, that has even awards. It lists airplay for almost every radio station in croatia and it has archive. Main problem with HrTop20 is that it only lists croatian singles. However Croatian Top 20 Chart as it is called here list croatian and foreign singles, but chart is based on voting. No airplay, no digital nor physical sales. Maybe the best thing right now is to rename this chart to someting like HR radio chart or something better and it should be mentioned in article that this is not official chart. This is similar to Israeli Singles Chart wich is listed on WP:BADCHARTS. And it should be written an article about HrTop20. I could write it if nobody else won't do it.--SveroH (talk) 07:37, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Many countries have multiple charts for radio play and record sales and this is no different. This isn't some guy in his basement, it's the national radio network of Croatia, and I'd like to think they have plenty of authority on creating a well-balanced chart and from reading this, it has user input, but not to the point where ballot stuffing can take place and mess with the metrics. If record stores and other entities use it and it's promoted in local media, it's an official chart.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 13:11, 29 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep The bickering about which chart has what status seems unimportant as the title is general enough that we can use it to document any and all Croatian Top 20 charts. If there is confusion between them then it will be helpful to our readership to have them presented together so that their basis and differences may be well understood. Colonel Warden (talk) 10:20, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
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