Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Crood (rapper)


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The result was DELETE. -Docg 11:13, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Crood (rapper)

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No actual notability asserted. Only 144 Google hits for "Crood rapper" (no quote marks, most of them unrelated to this person). Albums don't yield hits on Google or Amazon. --Fang Aili talk 14:28, 4 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete - Concur with nom. All of edits come from one user. Fails to meet notability requirements. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ronbo76 (talk • contribs).

Response From Sizzerb Management:

I'm afraid that is false. Look up "Crood Sizzerb" on Google:

http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=Crood+Sizzerb&meta=

If you look up Crood, the first 3 sites that come up are directly related to the artist:

http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=Crood&meta=

If you look up Sizzerb he comes up and is also included on the Sizzerb/Sizzerb International websites:

http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=Sizzerb&meta=

Crood is also a respected artist in the Serbian hip-hop community and the Sizzerb mixtape series has sold over 30 thousand units worldwide. Look up Sizzerb Vol. 1 for example and multiple sites including ebay will show up, which carry the product. Crood is featured on all the tapes, this is obsurd. He is also referenced in Sin's Wikipedia biography. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.110.167.195 (talk • contribs). (see also )

And the 3 sites are: MySpace, record label, and "coming soon". As soon as management feel the need to plead a case my spam radar kicks in. Delete per nom unless convincing evidence of notability is produced. --kingboyk 22:32, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

This is rediculous... Anybody in the music industry knows anyone can get their music on Amazon with about $50 and you use that as guideline to see if pages are authentic? It seems like you have more knowledge of spamming then you do of the music information your trying to delete off here!

How about these sites, they all sell Sizzerb mixtapes, and Crood is featured on everyone of them (see track listing):

http://www.hiphopcanada.com/_site/community/store/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=21_23&products_id=46&osCsid=d11b743da14607718a9e841344bf777e

http://www.allhiphopmixtapes.com/product_info.php?products_id=1492

http://cdbaby.com/cd/djvlad

http://www.yu4you.com/items/en/cd/item_3121.html

http://www.mixunit.com/sincitysizzerb.html

http://shopmixtape.com/mixtapes.php?mi=182

http://www.rapsearch.com/store/product.php?productid=2455&cat=155&page=1

http://www.soulbrotherrecordings.co.uk/milkmaticvol2.htm

http://www.mumbleshiphop.com/store2/product_info.php?products_id=517&osCsid=224d2fb70598b25a9a2753eec1e6505e

That's just some, there's way more...

Sizzerb Vol. 1 featured on MTV Mixtape Mondays:

http://www.mtv.com/bands/m/mixtape_monday/080105/

You really need to check into the information your providing, how could Sizzerb tapes be sold on all these different sites and featured on MTV if they weren't factual? Crood (rapper) is on every one, just read the track listing.

Here are some other reviews i found with Crood mentioned in them.

http://www.rapreviews.com/archive/2003_11_gypsyradio.html

"The production by Crood, where he samples choirs and Indian classical music, only adds depth to the search for inner peace, a slight spiritual touch dropped in one's personal plea to get out of hell. "

http://www.mvremix.com/urban/reviews/2003/fuseone.shtml

"The melodic and haunting vibes of “Burn” ends up as the albums finest cut, thanks to a spectacular production effort by Crood."

http://www.soulbrotherrecordings.co.uk/flatlinemain.htm

Milk Crate consists of DJ Flatline/KendeR/Red Eye Jedi/Crood/Keith Burst and are an up and coming crew from Toronto. They specialise in creating some of the freshest underground hip-hop music and their music features a collection of remixes created to illustrate the skill, talent and dedication to true hip hop in all of its forms.

I can keep going, but the fact is you need to provide proof, not speculation that this is not factual. What your basically saying is, this may be spam so lets delete it. Where as, i am giving you concrete examples to prove this is NOT spam, it is impossible to make this stuff up or duplicate a talent such as Crood's.


 * Delete A legend of his own making - most of the ghits I could find were either one of his sites, or posts by him. Active, but seems obscure. --Brianyoumans 00:13, 5 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete No [www.gracenote.com] hits for sizzerb or Crood. Most ghits are self promotion such as myspace or [www.sizzerb.com] --Nick Y. 00:29, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Since when does an artists visibility on the internet reflect their legitimate contributions to MUSIC??? I could name you 10 artists from Yugoslavia (where Crood is from) who are superstars there, but barely visibly online. What your saying doesn't make sense. I've listed respectible publications covering Sizzerb AND Crood with direct quotes about Crood, his music and tracklistings with CROOD songs on them on websites which sell CD's ie. Mixunit (top mixtape site in the world) or rapreviews.com - top hip-hop review site online www.hiphopcanada.com   www.allhiphop.com and other respectable urban websites. Just because your nerd search engine isn't picking it up is irrelevant when i am showing you DIRECT LINKS of pages which feature Crood, on known websites/publications!

If Crood had enough power to forge himself into all those websites i listed, his online presence would be as big as his music which is not the case yet. This is discrimination against a new/foreign artist the way i see it... You can't base someone accomplishments off 1 search engine when i am giving you DIRECT LINKS of respectable publications/sellers.

Not to mention that every mixtape Sizzerb has done (all of which Crood is on) are hosted by a-list level hip-hop DJ's. Look up any of them from DJ Vlad to Big Mike to Nu Jerzy Devil to Team Invasion. This is undesputable success especially from a artist based in Canada/from a foreign country. I have faith Wikipedia will review the information i gave them accordingly.

For direct reference to Crood on here, also see Sin (rapper)
 * Delete. In cases where notability is established, a neutrally-written article is sufficient, but in cases where it's dodgy and there is a clear conflict of interest, I vote 'em down. Labels should not edit the articles of artists. --Dhartung | Talk 06:53, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree with that but all the info was used with the artists permission and we can provide any documentation necessary to prove that. The biography was taken with permission from the artists website. There is no conflict of interest we are just making sure the artist is being represented properly becuase a third party could do the same thing and change the story/manipulate details, especially our enemies/competitors. We are not speculating but stating facts, and documenting a growing artist/movement early on. If there is anything you feel needs to be changed please state it specifically, i believe all the links i've provided is more then specific proof of Crood's role in hip-hop and Sizzerb, he is also documented in Sin's biography on here. I can also provide links to stores that sell all the mixtapes in the discography with the acception of Sizzerb INternational Vol. 1 which was a free download. Any other information you need including medical/police reports which prove what was said in the biography is true are available to you upon request. We'd be happy to accomondate anything to fit your standards, and understand the information on this page is definitelly something which will be used as a long-term reference to the artist. There is no denying everything stated is factual and relevant to Crood's role in hip-hop and who he is as an artist.
 * Delete, borderline speedy A7. The article does not satisfy the notability guidelines for music artists, nor does it provide reliable non-trivial, third-party coverage to verify any of the claims being made. In addition (not a delete criterion), as the article stands it reads very much like a promotional piece to increase traffic and perhaps sales. If the person is as famous as claimed, it should be no hardship to dig up reliable sources (news and/or magazine coverage for example), even if these are foreign language.  Zun aid  © Review me!  12:28, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

I have no problem providing reviews or interviews, in fact i already noted some. I wasn't claiming the person was famous, just outlining achievement. If you need direct links to works/reviews/interviews be specific and i can provide what you ask for. But is that supposed to be included in the article? I stayed away from putting too many links in the actual article because i figure u don't want linking done unless manditory. I'm willing to do whats neccessary to fix the issue. I tried to make it more like it would look if you read about an artist in a physical book encyclopedia, they usually don't provide such links (to websites/articles etc.) if you prefer a different better referenced format i can do that but this way its focusing on the individual more then the coverage which i think is key for an encyclopedia.

I added many more references in the article. I hope that helps. Let me know.

Here is a article i scanned from Huper Magazine (Serbia). It reviews a compilation Crood executive produced and is featured on. If you look under "preporuka" where they list reccomended songs after the review, you will see a song featuring Crood as well.

http://sizzerb.com/images/ranerevieslusaj.jpg

I'm going out of my way here guys. I already listed 3 reviews and 10 stores/coverage sites in and above source. This is scanned directly out of the magazine.
 * Delete, advert, lack of notability -- Chris 73 | Talk 21:31, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
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