Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Crookton, Arizona (2nd nomination)


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The result was redirect‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__ to Southern Transcon without prejudice against changing to a better target, if found. Owen&times; &#9742;  12:44, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Crookton, Arizona
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Can't keep using WP:NPLACE as a rational and seems to fail WP:SIGCOV. It's just a point on a railway line and I've found no indication that that particular point is of any notability. TarnishedPathtalk 09:42, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Transportation and Arizona. Tarnis</b><b style="color:#ffa0a0;">hed</b><b style="color:#420000;">Path</b><b style="color:#bd4004;">talk</b> 09:42, 2 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete It is not a legally recognized place, and my search on DDG, Google Books and Scholar turned unfruitful. WP:NPLACE says to defer to GNG in this case. It is misleadingly categorized as a populated place in the navbox. Just look at the satellite map to see why that is wrong.
 * Ca <sup style="display:inline-flex;rotate:7deg;">talk to me!  10:24, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Before it was "officially" determined around 2020 that GNIS was not a reliable source, and not a gazetteer after all, because someone (I appreciated the background here) made 10s of thousands of crappy data-dump articles, people like me used it in good faith to label locations as populated places. It's interesting to me that these location AfDs seem to assume that the people who have started these articles were trying to intentionally mislead or even blatantly lie about someplace being a populated place, when in fact we were using what was at one time considered a reliable source. I just want to put it out there for the record. Oh, and I've asked this several times, but what guideline is appropriate to cite for "I looked at the satellite map and determined X."? I'm not trying to be a jerk, I'd actually love to find the correct policy or guideline about this as this is also something that comes up a lot in these AfDs. If it's just common sense, that's fine but please say so. It's hard to prove a negative, I get it. In my region, there are reference books where the author writes about interesting places, and he would say that a place was not much of a going concern anymore. (e.g. "It used to have a school, a church, and a store, but there nothing left at the site today.") It's too bad there aren't more such 3rd-party sources around. Cheers, Valfontis (talk) 20:57, 7 July 2024 (UTC)


 * <small class="delsort-notice">Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 10:42, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete - This source calls it a railroad station. No indication this was ever a populated place. Magnolia677 (talk) 11:01, 2 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Redirect to George Crook, for whom it is named. — Maile (talk) 12:11, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Why? That article has no mention of the place, nor should it, as it's a completely non-notable unpopulated railroad waypoint with no connection to its namesake.  They might as well have named it King Henry VIII.  In the unlikely event anyone wanted information about Crookton, they would probably search for the railroad division, not the historical figure.  Delete. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 01:45, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I agree that George Crook is the wrong target for a redirect, but a touch more civility about the matter might be in order. Cheers, Valfontis (talk) 19:36, 7 July 2024 (UTC)


 * @Maile66, I don't think redirect is a viable alternative to deletion as there are multiple alternative redirects that could be used. E.g. U.S. Route 66 in Arizona or Southern Transcon could also be used in addition to George Crook. I considered redirect prior to nominating this and didn't precisely for that reason. <b style="color:#ff0000;">Tar</b><b style="color:#ff7070;">nis</b><b style="color:#ffa0a0;">hed</b><b style="color:#420000;">Path</b><b style="color:#bd4004;">talk</b> 03:18, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * <small class="delsort-notice">Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. <b style="color:#ff0000;">Tar</b><b style="color:#ff7070;">nis</b><b style="color:#ffa0a0;">hed</b><b style="color:#420000;">Path</b><b style="color:#bd4004;">talk</b> 03:20, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * delete as per previous discussion. Mangoe (talk) 07:25, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Redirect with appropriate bolding and mention in Southern Transcon (Seligman Subdivision) of the BNSF. There is already a link to Crookton, Arizona in there. (Or possibly integrate into an appropriate Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe Railway article.) And a sincere promise from someone that they will actually do the post-AfD cleanup work necessary (remove from the template it's in and check "what links here", then do what's necessary for our readers to find the topic). Sometimes it's hard to see how a topic is interconnected with the others when you look at "what links here" and most of links are from a template the article is in, so I did some more in-depth searching. Based on that, I made some pointless (if this gets deleted) wls in a few articles (Williams Junction station, Williams Depot, Ash Fork station and a redir from the previously redlinked Crookton Cutoff). Alternatively, redir (with bolding yadda yadda) to U.S. Route 66 in Arizona per the previous AfD, but that seems like unnecessary clutter, and this station is more a rail topic than a road topic. Here, is some more, info (and map) regarding this location. Not based on any Wikipedia policy or guideline that I know of, except common sense, but it might be nice for someone using Wikipedia as an encyclopedia to be able to find out why there's something called "Crookton" in Arizona. YMMV, haha. Valfontis (talk) 19:36, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I also linked Crookton Cutoff in Hassayampa Flyer. Incidentally, the cutoff article was a not-ready-for-primetime deleted draftified article. If you don't have access to deleted drafts, it's three unsourced sentences that could easily be researched and added to another rail article, likely doesn't need a standalone. Valfontis (talk) 19:46, 7 July 2024 (UTC)


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