Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Crossed Realmz 4


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the debate was delete. This debate was weird... :- { Johnleemk | Talk 09:38, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Crossed Realmz 4
I am making this page go through an AfD because it refers to User:VoodooKobra's software. Fplay 02:22, 12 December 2005 (UTC)


 * This is BULLSHIT. Excuse my language, but seriously... there's no reason for it to be considered for deletion. You have to have more of a reason than THAT Kobra 05:32, 12 December 2005 (UTC)


 * This afd nomination was orphaned. Listing now. &mdash;Crypticbot (operator) 15:52, 12 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Comment Kobra, can you offer evidence of notability? Delete vote withheld for now but I found no evidence (may have searched poorly). ++Lar 16:49, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
 * changed suggestion to Delete based on material below, site is non notable. Further, article author seems to be trying to set up a web of articles referencing each other, many related articles seem to have come up for AfD today. ++Lar 12:40, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Article asserts that the game is still in development, the screenshots are all missing, and the game is being developed using an illegal software package.  This points me in the general direction of WP:NOT a crystal ball. --Stephen Deken 18:31, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete per Stephen_Deken. The "Game description" and "Project summary" are unavailable, as well. Even it they were available, I find kobrasrealm.com to not be a credidle reference for claims made by Kobra. --  Dalbury ( Talk )  18:38, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
 * One can apply the WP:CORP criteria for products and services to softwares. Searching, I find some stuff written and published about this "still in development" game (mainly posts on discussion fora).  But it is all written by the author of the game xyrself.  No-one else has published anything about it at all.  There are no independent FAQs, manuals, guides, in depth reviews, news articles, or books.  The criteria are thus not satisfied by a huge margin.  (Contrast this with EverQuest, which even has news reports written about it.)  Indeed, as pointed out above, there is scant evidence that this purported game even exists in the first place.  Delete. Uncle G 18:56, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete per Uncle G. The fact the game is "still in development" with no release date mentioned in the article suggests crystal ball also should be considered. 23skidoo 19:44, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete - non-notable, at the current stage at least. Whatever happens to this article, its companion (Crossed_Realmz_Echo_Realm) needs to be either wikified or also deleted.AustinZ 21:54, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
 * The reason the screenshots are unavailable is that the site they're hosted on got deleted awhile ago and I have not had a chance to recover them yet. The same thing applies for why Kobra's Realm doesn't have any verifiable references. The simple fact is that I haven't had time to get my site back and there's no reason you guys should hastily DELETE something of mine when I haven't been given a chance to work the problems out. Kobra 20:39, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. You've provided the reason yourself: the thing doesn't exist. --Calton | Talk 00:30, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

What do you mean it doesn't exist? I didn't say that. I said the stuff the article LINKED TO doesn't exist right now. Can you guys be fair for once?! Kobra 02:38, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: I'm sorry you feel this is unfair, Kobra, but the facts are that there is no verifiable information in the article, the game is unfinished and unreleased, and there has been no third-party discussion about the impending release of the game. This is just plain and simple not a topic that belongs in an encyclopedia.  --Stephen Deken 18:21, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Well, when you put it that way... I can see your guys's side of the argument. Tell you what: when I finish it, I'll re-post this article if it's fine by you... you can delete it until then.Kobra 23:57, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep: OK, OK. I am being a political worm: I do not want User:VoodooKobra to be sore at me forever because I originated this AfD. Also I want the vote to be unanimous because maybe his feellings might be hurt. (You know, "YOU KILLED MY BABY", blah blah blah). -- Fplay 01:42, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Don't worry about it... I already said you guys can delete it for now, but know that when I get my shit together I will make it again. Kobra 06:19, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Why don't you userify the whole lot of it, that is, move the content to your user page or pages... then if something DOES come of it all and you're rich and famous, have one of your minions move it back for you instead of having to recreate it. That's assuming that you don't add a lot of stuff because... WP:NOT a hosting provider, so it's not a blank check to create as much stuff as you want. For THAT your own site is better suited. Hope that helps (not changing my delete feelings, just sayin..) ++Lar 12:51, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

I said delete it. End of discussion. Kobra 06:04, 15 December 2005 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.