Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Crowborough Caves


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The result was   delete. PhilKnight (talk) 22:46, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Crowborough Caves

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Hoax entry backed up by web-sites and Ghits that look plausible at first, but not at second, glance. I can find no independent confirmation: all the Ghits lead back to the two web-sites cited.

www.crowborough-caves.org.uk includes remarks from "Our resident geologist, Dr. SP Leo Logist", claims that the caves link to Holland and to Mars, an account of falling into a cave in Wales, after which "We walked and crawled for half an hour and to our surprise came out on Ashdown Forest." (about 160 miles away); and a claim that "Prof. Chapman has reported finding a pre-humanoid skull. He has named it Crowborough Man, it shows remarkable similarity to the controversial Piltdown man."

The second web-site listed, Campaign to reopen the Crowborough Caves, looks more sober, but there's a marked absence of hard information. The caves are "Unknown to even the most ardent of Sussex historians," and "it has been decided by the Friends of the Caves of Crowborough that the exact location of the Caves should not be published - for the time being." So they are certainly not a "well known local tourist attraction", as the article claims.

Reports show that the website crowborough-caves.org.uk is hosted in Horb, Germany. Once again implying a hoax! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.121.119.201 (talk) 21:54, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

This has been in for more than a year; credit to an anonymous IP user for tagging it as a hoax, and adding "there are no Crowborough Caves - this is a well known 'fun' story / hoax" on the talk page. The joke seems to be maintained by the 1st Crowborough Scout Group whose web-site is very similar in appearance to www.crowborough-caves.org.uk. Good joke, boys (well, fairly good), but when misinformation leaks into Wikipedia we Delete it. JohnCD (talk) 18:51, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions.   -- the wub  "?!"  20:00, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete Hoax, fails verifiability requirement. Edison (talk) 20:37, 22 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Strong delete Clearly a hoax, though SP Leo Logist (speleologist) is pretty clever. ukexpat (talk) 21:02, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Strong delete and salt -- the first website cited is an obvious hoax maintained by Crowborough or Soutron Scouts. The letter from Mrs Trellis of Tunbridge Wells (whose correspondence was regularly quoted in the BBC's I'm sorry I haven't a clue) also points to this.  Peterkingiron (talk) 21:48, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete, G3. Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone  21:49, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete, obviously, though the message board on the second website is mildly amusing (We are pleased to announce that the Caves are now a designated WI-FI spot, following a partnership deal with Orange Broadband.) Iain99Balderdash and piffle 22:23, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete as hoax. G3 and block if it comes back. Andrew Lenahan -  St ar bli nd  22:41, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete As per everyone. Isn't it snowing yet? Edward321 (talk) 05:45, 23 July 2008 (UTC)


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