Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Crowther Lab


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The result was delete. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 04:10, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Crowther Lab

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This is a promotional duplication of the article on Thomas Crowther (ecologist), an article on a notable scientist that has some similar promotional problems that I am in the process of fixing.

All notable laboratory scientists in universities, run laboratories composed of a number of post-docs, grad students, technicians, usually undergraduates., and sometimes junior faculty. The work coming from the lab is normally funded by the research grants awarded to the faculty member as chief investigator, with often some institutional funds as well, and the faculty member is considered to have the responsibility of seeing that the work done is of high quality, and consequently competes with other faculty in the field for the best new postdocs and grad students. They may  put their name on all the articles, some of the articles, or none of them--this is a matter of individual choice as well as convention in the field.

There is normally no sense in which the work of the lab is independent of the faculty sponsor; the content of any article on the lab would have extensive overlap with the article on the scientist--as an indication, the bios of many scientists contain phrases such as "she and her associates" did whatever.

If we allowed articles such as this, we would essentially have two articles on every notable scientist. Of course, there will be some few very exceptional scientists known as much for running a laboratory for others to work as for their own work, were it might be justified. and there might be justification for articles on particularly notable multi-lead investigator groups. In each of these cases, there will be extensive secondary literature about the laboratory as such. That's not the case here.  DGG ( talk ) 04:35, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Science-related deletion discussions. Lightburst (talk) 04:41, 27 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Environment-related deletion discussions. Lightburst (talk) 04:42, 27 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Oh OK I see - sorry for wasting time - I am not an academic so I did not understand that is how they work. Chidgk1 (talk) 08:47, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Deleteas per nom.Best Regards.--- ✨Lazy Maniik✨  13:46, 27 October 2021 (UTC) Sockpuppet of blocked user. ✗ plicit  14:17, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per the well-reasoned argument of the nominator about this being redundant with the article on Crowther himself, but also per WP:NORG: we don't apply standards for notability of academic biographies to labs, because they are not biographies, and we don't have the multiple in-depth reliable non-routine-coverage secondary sources demanded by our standards of notability for organizations. Sources about individual research projects conducted in the lab are not sources about the lab. —David Eppstein (talk) 05:06, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete, seems like someone building a mirror of the typical university web page for a lab, but on Wikipedia. Abductive  (reasoning) 07:50, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete as per nom. Wikipedia is not an extension of an institutions webpages. -Kj cheetham (talk) 08:00, 27 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom above. --WomenProj (talk) 22:41, 31 October 2021 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.