Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Croydon Fire Brigade


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The result was keep. Eddie891 Talk Work 14:44, 8 April 2023 (UTC)

Croydon Fire Brigade

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Contested redirect. Single in-depth source from an independent reference. And I'm not sure if that is reliable, as I can't find any information about the publisher, Jeremy Mills Publishing, other than they seem to specialize in subjects around fire and fire-fighting related issues. Fails WP:GNG.  Onel 5969  TT me 11:39, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Organizations and England.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 11:58, 1 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi Onel, I get the concern about the single source, but there doesn't seem to be any other publicly accessible one. I understand the consensus is in this case that it's acceptable if the source is reliable?
 * In terms of reliability, from what I've found, Jeremy Mills Publishing changed its name to Riasca UK Ltd in 2014 and has since dissolved (https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/04323450) with the director going on to a book conservation organisation. The director states that they focused on "specialist niche titles" (https://jeremymillspublishing.blogspot.com/2007/11/visit-our-website.html) which would explain why they went for this book. I've found nothing to suggest that this source is notable for faulty fact checking, poor oversight, or conflict of interest.
 * The beginning of the book contains an acknowledgements section, listing three members of the Croydon Auxiliary Fire Service (Neil Wallington, Ron Bentley, and Eric Billingham) as sources, as well as records held at the Croydon Archives Library such as annual reports, the books "Croydon and the Second World War" and "Croydon Courageous". Additionally, it mentions that many records have been lost since, explaining the lack of sources on this subject. The author, Eddie Baker, appears to be a frequent publisher of UK fire brigade books (https://www.waterstones.com/author/eddie-baker/61614), and this book was reported in local press on coming out as well as being celebrated by the local fire brigade (https://web.archive.org/web/20050103125928fw_/http://www.jeremymillspublishing.co.uk/paper2.GIF) (https://web.archive.org/web/20050310190245fw_/http://www.jeremymillspublishing.co.uk/paper1.GIF)
 * It would be great to have another source, but this appears to be the only one. I believe this to be a reliable, independent, secondary source published by a respectable publishing house as required by WP:SOURCE and so I think that it meets WP:GNG. Look forward to discussing this, please let me know what you think :) Dan :&#93; (talk) 19:29, 1 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep. Notable subject. Sufficient sourcing. Meets WP:GNG. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:28, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. Further paragraphs added to History section with separate cited sources. Appreciate nominator's concerns but now passes GNG multiple, independent, reliable, secondary sourcing condition. Rupples (talk) 21:15, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. Subject is notable, and expanded article now cites multiple RSs. Paul W (talk) 07:29, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. Expanded article and added citations seems to prove notability to me, meeting WP:GNG - Navarre0107 (talk) 17:23, 5 April 2023 (UTC)


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