Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Crveni Ðavoli


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. v/r - TP 20:44, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Crveni Ðavoli

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Non-notable fan/supporters' club - fails WP:ORG and WP:GNG. ukexpat (talk) 15:12, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Merge. Most of the article content is about the football team anyway.TheLongTone (talk) 15:44, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Give me a little more time. I will improve the site and explain everything. I am not finished. Please. Thank you!!!--Nado158 (talk) 15:48, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Crveni Ðavoli (English: The Red Devils) are supporters of Radnički Kragujevac. They are one of major football fan groups in Serbia and Radnički one of the known Sport Association. Besides football the Devils support other sport sections of the Radnički Sport Association like Basketball, Handball and Volleyball). Al clubs play in the first Serbian liga, the Basketballklub play also in the Adriatic League(importent Basketbal-Liga in Europa). FC Radncki is expected to participate this year in the UEFA Europa Liga. The Red Devils have a long history in Yugoslavia and Serbia and was always importent part in the fanscene. They are one of major football fan groups in Serbia a known in the fanscene in South-east-Europa and over his borders. There are many important things to write about this supporterse (not the club). A deletion here is totally inappropriate.This is written only about the fans, I do not understand why it should be deleted?I will improve the site. I am not finished.Thank you!!--Nado158 (talk) 18:56, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Keep - although I cannot specifically cite instances I remember the Red Devils from at least 2 TV documentaries in the UK, I think dealing with anti-social behaviour. If these programmes can be tracked down, notability will probably be found lurking alongside. Lonesometwin (talk) 15:08, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Serbia-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 15:26, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 15:41, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
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No, that's a whole other generation. With families, children and real fans.You confuse something. There are 1-2 fan groups in the wolrd who call themselves Red Devils but these call themselsvs Ðavoli not Red Devils (Ðavoli pronounced in English: Jawoli).They have nothing to do with the UK fan groups. --Nado158 (talk) 17:33, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

Keep and improve sourcing. Article in Blic (Blic has the largest circulation among all newspapers in Serbia) is very relevant, and I think more sources can be found.-- В и к и  T   13:05, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Keep, as per В и к и, not forgeting the importance of improving sourcing and keeping the aricle NPOV and wikified. The main reason I favour keeping the article over merging has to do with the fact that more and more supporting groups have their own articles, and there has existed interest on behalve of editors to contribute to the subject. Having this in mind, I find much more appropriate to have separate articles where the subject could be expanded in more detail, rather then having a over-sized supporters section in club articles, which is what often ends up happening when we lack a separate article but we have editors willing to contribute on it. FkpCascais (talk) 20:06, 23 March 2012 (UTC) 
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, &mdash;SW&mdash; yak 17:47, 30 March 2012 (UTC)




 * Keep I'd say there is a great deal of information to back its notability, its references are there and appear to be reliable, there is just one problem, most of the references are in serbian, however after translation with google they appear to be accurate and relaible. – Phoenix B 1of3 (talk) 03:30, 2 April 2012 (UTC)


 * KeepThe references are from the homepage of the club and one of the most important newspapers in Serbia. Blic has the largest circulation among all newspapers in Serbia.Nado158 (talk) 10:16, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. GiantSnowman 21:17, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect to FK Radnički 1923; worth a mention there in a 'Fans' section but cannot see the worth of having a seperate article. GiantSnowman 21:18, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
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